Again - the Negh'Var

posted on July 24th, 2010, 11:07 am

Well, I tried to compare the "strongest" ships of a fraction and well, I think the klingons are at a disadvantage.

First of all, when we take the battleships in late game, we see that thing:
The dominion will build up a spam of V-13 or S-7 Defender, that are very strong.
The feds will counter with the phalanx class, or if you play mayson, then you get your experimental warp in as a dradnought.
The romuluans have the shiny tavara and the borg its tactical cube.

Is there a good counter for the klingons against thos ships, instead of spamming smaller ones? I think the Negh'Var was designed to be a dreadnought, while the Vorcha is the main attack cruiser with backboning of K'Vorts.

The Negh'var is, for example against the Phalanx equipped with a lesser offense and defense value, if reached two gold bars. Also it got a short range and you have to pay a lot if you want to cloak it. On veteran, this ship got a lesser def- value than the Luspet. The only thing good on the Negh'Var is, that it wont cost so much, so that you "may" spam it. But the Negh'Var is not a ship for spamming, I think.

Lets change the Negh'Var to a dreadnought. Let it cost more and make it a little more Tavara-like. The klingons already have enough ships that are tiny and small and spam everywhere. So at leat give one ship a "longer lasting" role.

And before the people argue, that with that step we may change the souvie: No, I think with Risner its okay. If you take Mayson, you get other nice things for it.

Please give the klingons some teeth to bite. A Neggie should spread fear, when you see it, like the tavara or a cube.

posted on July 24th, 2010, 1:26 pm

risner can get descent warpins too

the neghvar is pretty nice as it is. its special is cool too if u use it carefully.

i dont think the klinks need an upgraded neggie as they already have a good ship in the form of the vorcha. u introduce vorcha class earlier than most top tier ships of other races, and the vorcha ranks really easily making it awesome.

i dont think the neggie is underpowered at all.

you cannot compare neggie to tavara or cube or dominion dread, thats an awful comparison, they are totally different ships used for different things.

also u cant spam s17 defender's as they are sloooooooooow and capped and their special costs too much. i guess in a massive team game u can buy some as giant mobile turrets to support smaller turrets and buy their special to limit the number of cubes firing at once lol.

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posted on July 24th, 2010, 4:11 pm

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I think Descent should be Mayson only (maybe the Nova could be given to both avatars), an experimental ship with high defense (and Mayson just plain loves defense) doesn't seem like something Risner would have. Or maybe the Mayson Descent could become buildable with some advanced research.

Negh'Var is a beast once it gets to vet (double warship cannon and warship torpedo and ion torpedoes ), the stats aren't everything.
Short range is fine, not every battleship is going to be able to strike from afar. The Negh'Var makes up for it by being fast, which is quite unusual for a battleship. We all know how much fast destroyers (and Intrepids, Akiras sometimes too) can pwn by simply being fast enuff to retreat when they take too much damage and end up getting away.
The Negh'Var is not a Tavara, it is also not a Dreadnaught. Klingons do not build huge massive flagships, smaller ships killing those huge enemy flagships makes victory more glorious.

posted on July 24th, 2010, 4:18 pm

The Martok Negh'var received a drop in stats for a reason as of 3.1.2. It is not a limited unit, and it is a quite a powerful end game Klingon unit. You cannot compare basic stats as Nebula said. Each has different roles due to passives and speed and weapons .

posted on July 24th, 2010, 4:30 pm

And at officer level and Vet levels, it does extra damage to stations and battleships, respectively.  Those are not displayed by any statistic, but you can find the massively increased damage in the odf files.

It's faster than your average battleship, does 50% more to long ranged units (such as turrets), has a very nice special that can destroy things from afar.  What more could you want?

posted on July 24th, 2010, 4:44 pm

What more could you want?

the ability to get the neggie - a battleship - for free. where else have we heard of battleships being free? hmmm...

posted on July 24th, 2010, 5:03 pm

Well, it is not limited, thats right. But for its short range it just does too less damage. The Phalanx got a long range, higher def-values and can multicharge its emitters. It got a higher offensive-value and a better system value.

The Negh'Var is inferior in all aspects but the speed. When I decloak a Neggie, I want to spit fire and hell to the enemy, just like the big D. But it wont do. For its short range, I think it needs more teeth.

The def-value from earlier versions was fine I think. I dont know, why it was stripped. For a battleship, it falls too fast. Remember, it cant dodge torps because of its class, must get near the enemy and must retreat fast in order to survive. I do hit and run with ne Neggie. Thats more like a bird of prey would do.

posted on July 24th, 2010, 5:10 pm

the big D has offense value of 35

neggie has offense value of 50

the neggie spits a lot more fire and hell than the big D

by the time you have the money to buy cloak for neggie it wouldn't be of tremendous help.

posted on July 24th, 2010, 5:13 pm

The Neghie will kick the Phalanxes ass in a heartbeat.

Try playing online for a change, I think you'll learn to appreciate the vessel more

Negh'var had its boosts reduced because it is a cheap battleship that could be spammed and kill things fairly easy with minimal effort.

posted on July 24th, 2010, 5:29 pm

Seriously, the Neggie can 1v1 almost all the capital ships in a conventional weapons fight.  It's doing ok.

posted on July 24th, 2010, 5:52 pm

Yep .

  Neggies are great in online play.  Once I can get them out the game is usually decided.  Also once I have them out I'm not much concerned with what the enemy has either (even a cube).


  Weapon Overload is just icing on the cake .


  I understand where you're coming from as it may seem a little underwhelming against hordes of AI ships, but play online and you'll learn to appreciate it for what it is .

posted on July 24th, 2010, 6:41 pm

Even in AI matches, the Negh'Var is a powerful unit of your own.

I almost never use it because I prefer the Vorcha's range, but a Negh'Var is powerful and upgrade-friendly with levelups. A veteran can easily take out Sovereign officers and big D's, also it is a real threat for Borg vessels because the mighty ion-torps and weapon overload (for finishing heavy damaged spheres cubes and so on) make it more than worth the actually not very expensive resource costs.

posted on July 24th, 2010, 10:39 pm

Hmm. i must say I understand the point. The Negh'Var is no super ship as the other Fractions have(not sure about Feds, though). You don't think , when a Negh'var comes around, but you do so when Tavara, cube and Dreadnought do  .
Nevertheless it's a fine ship, you won't win wars with it alone, but I wouldn't like that. A Klingon Fleet has look like a wild horde, not like a squad centred around a tank.

posted on July 24th, 2010, 10:43 pm

ok gonna correct a mistake i see a lot, with no insult intended.

feds klinks etc are factions, not fractions. fractions are maths things like 1/2  3/4    22/7 etc

posted on July 24th, 2010, 10:46 pm

Also, not every faction is supposed to have a "super duper" ship like the Tavara or Dom Dreadnought, but that has been discussed over and over in other threads.  We don't need all the factions to be the same.   The klingons have many things going for them, considering they have stations and ships that either almost double their fire rate, or destroy entire fleets.