Nova Class should be Chassis 1

posted on May 29th, 2011, 12:12 pm

i would. even without its special, i think it belongs in chassis 2.

posted on May 29th, 2011, 12:37 pm

i would. even without its special, i think it belongs in chassis 2.

So YOU are the exception to the rule

posted on May 29th, 2011, 5:25 pm

In Fleet Ops, support ships give almost exclusively a defensive boost and have at least 3 specials each.  See for yourself:
Borg: 2 (100% Defensive) (1 vessel)
Dominion: 6 (83% Defensive) (2 vessels)
Federation: 9 (67% Defensive) (3 vessels)
Klingon: 6 (33% Defensive) (2 vessels)
Romulan: 3 (50% Defensive) (1 vessel)

With the Exception of the Klingons, all factions have support vessels that give you at least a 50% boost to the defense of the fleet.  And with the exception of the Borg only having 2 specials for their support ship, all support ships have 3 specials.  The Nova can't be considered a support ship because it only has 1 special.  The Borg dode is unique because it can turn into a sensor station/heavy torpedo turret, which can be considered it's third special.  Either way, the Dode is still 100% defensive when used for support instead of combat.

posted on May 29th, 2011, 5:30 pm

It has a special that supports other ships, therefore it performs a supporting role. It isn't exactly rocket science.

posted on May 29th, 2011, 5:33 pm

In Fleet Ops, support ships give almost exclusively a defensive boost and have at least 3 specials each.  See for yourself:
Borg: 2 (100% Defensive) (1 vessel)
Dominion: 6 (83% Defensive) (2 vessels)
Federation: 9 (67% Defensive) (3 vessels)
Klingon: 6 (33% Defensive) (2 vessels)
Romulan: 3 (50% Defensive) (1 vessel)

With the Exception of the Klingons, all factions have support vessels that give you at least a 50% boost to the defense of the fleet.  And with the exception of the Borg only having 2 specials for their support ship, all support ships have 3 specials.  The Nova can't be considered a support ship because it only has 1 special.  The Borg dode is unique because it can turn into a sensor station/heavy torpedo turret, which can be considered it's third special.  Either way, the Dode is still 100% defensive when used for support instead of combat.

All sweet and nice, but it doesn't chance the fact that although the Nova is classified as a destroyer it has a special which makes it a tremendous support vessel.

A vessel is not a support vessel dependent on the number of specials it carries, but because of which special it carries.

The special of the nova makes it a support even though it is classified as a destroyer.

It has a special that supports other ships, therefore it performs a supporting role. It isn't exactly rocket science.

In case of the nova special it is "Photon Torpedo Science"

posted on May 29th, 2011, 5:49 pm

the s2 has a special which supports other ships but is not a support. specials dont decide what's a support. that's purely a classification. the leahval is a support ship but isnt used for supporting fleets often. its usually used for its combat prowess.

the nova is a combat ship that most people use for supporting more often. it does have a combat role, just people ignore that role. its not a support ship, but it is a ship you can use to support your fleet.

posted on May 29th, 2011, 6:55 pm

I only use it if I have extra resources and want to pack some extra punch into my torpedo firing ships.  So I don't use it much.

posted on May 29th, 2011, 6:58 pm

The best harassment unit the feds have in their arsenal, and everyone's like, "Nah, I won't use them."

posted on May 29th, 2011, 7:30 pm

The best harassment unit the feds have in their arsenal, and everyone's like, "Nah, I won't use them."

why you say that? the monsoon is certainly a contender for anybody's best raider contest.

for the mon:
- fast
- doesnt miss with beams
- cheap
- easily located on tech tree, no need to deviate away from normal builds
- takes half damage from most common stationary weapons (phaser turrets and starbases)
- has a special that great for raiding in multiple raiding styles.

against the mon:

- low tech means will not take much punishment later game
- short range so harder to keep away from turrets

for the nova:
- fast as well, equal speed
- higher offensive value, boosted even more if 1 of the novae uses field supply, which does cost supply though
- does more damage to shields, so better against non borg miners, and has torps, better against borg miners
- higher defensive value, can take more punishment in general
- medium range so can stay away from turrets easier.

against the nova:
- torps miss small miners
- many fast ships that will come to defend mining have pulses (brel for example) which the nova is weak to
- higher tech level and more expensive. mayson has to get chassis 2 ( mayson, do chassis 2? naaaah) in order to build them

they are both good at raiding, but the monsoon is certainly no raiding slouch.

posted on May 30th, 2011, 1:26 pm

Myles,
He said best harassment unit meaning kiting/annoying fleets rather than just raiding.  Though, I grant you the monsoon is right up there with the nova in that regard too due to proxy torp.

posted on May 30th, 2011, 1:38 pm

Myles,
He said best harassment unit meaning kiting/annoying fleets rather than just raiding.  Though, I grant you the monsoon is right up there with the nova in that regard too due to proxy torp.

i can see how that would be different. i usually equate harassment with raiding as words.

posted on May 30th, 2011, 5:08 pm

Yeah, I'm not knocking the monsoon at all.  It's really good.  

Like you said, it has combat potential, and if you grab 4-6 of them in a raiding/harassment group, they're basically untouchable.  They're like dominion bugs, only faster and with a defense of 24 and not vulnerable to supports due to no ADAI.

posted on May 30th, 2011, 6:17 pm

My thoughts: Make the nova special require chasis 2 before you can research it, but make the Nova a chasis 1 vessel.

The fact is that if you have a few novas, you can turn a fleet of ships into a torp chaingun that would put the tootlesberg to shame, and be well worth the supply cost if used correctly.

It's special is one of the most useful fed support specials, it's up there with the canavrals sensor booster thingey, which is when placed tacticaly a perfect early warning method, and on smaller maps can let you see an enemies base, or get a few Norways and keep a tootlesbergs special energy topped off....

Prehaps even make the buildable from the start, but lack it's special until you tech up some, because as it stands the sabre is pretty useless at the start, execpt in numbers, and in the kind of fights it encounters early on, it dies far too easily to be of use, and does too little damage.

posted on May 30th, 2011, 6:43 pm

We just got done saying that the nova is practically untouchable if handled correctly.  What does that have to do with its special?

posted on May 30th, 2011, 6:50 pm

I don't like the idea of needing to research Chassis 2 to get it's special.  How about Improved weapons instead.  But the ship itself should be Chassis 1.