Breen Shipset

posted on March 3rd, 2013, 4:51 pm

I think it would be great to have a breen ship set when you select the breen avatar.

posted on March 3rd, 2013, 5:01 pm

http://gaming.trekcore.com/gallery/albu ... t/0041.jpg Possable breen shipyard idea

posted on March 3rd, 2013, 5:18 pm

Is that a picture of a Breen Shipyard?

posted on March 3rd, 2013, 6:00 pm

i have no clue i know its star trek

posted on March 3rd, 2013, 6:01 pm

and it looks breenish

posted on March 4th, 2013, 6:41 pm

Not even close thats the concept for the Starfleet drydock for STO during the Perpetual days. A breen shipyard whould be much more unique and asymetrical than that for sure. The breen don't need their own yard anyways.

posted on March 4th, 2013, 7:17 pm

@086gF: Exactly what I was thinking myself. When viewing the linked picture on my iPad I saw that it mentioned Star Trek Online right on it. It really doesn't look like the Breen would even design it or any station like that for that matter. I know the Breen are in Star Trek Online, but I've never seen a Breen shipyard or starbase.

Plus I agree, the Breen dint need their own shipyard.

posted on March 5th, 2013, 12:58 am

How do you think the breen woulda gone about building there ships?

posted on March 5th, 2013, 3:47 am

@Onika: The Breen have shipyards as well, but they don't look like that, also in FleetOps, the Breen are part of the Dominion so they use the Dominion shipyards. I have never played as the Dominion because they have to build Proto-type vessels before they get their official warships to use. I just find it a problem when the other races don't need Proto-types.

http://www.spaceempires.net/shipyards-details-76-Breen_Confederacy.html, this website shows some of Breenships and two types of starbases, but there isn't any shipyards.

posted on March 5th, 2013, 7:29 am

Is taht a mod or something or another game all together.

posted on March 5th, 2013, 8:12 am

I don't think it's a mod at least if it is it isn't for FleetOps or Armada II.
It is a mod though for the game that site seems to be about, Space Empires 5 (SE5) as it says it needs but the word "game".

Some of the ships seem alittle like the one in the Dominion Ultimate - Breen mod for stock STA2 (http://armada2.filefront.com/file/Dominion_Ultimate_12_The_Breen;21846), I used three - four ships for the Breen from that mod with a few stations for my STA2_Generational Mod.

posted on March 8th, 2013, 11:54 am

I love playing as the dominion but i think a few little things dont make sense.

First i agree that breen ships should come from a separate yard.
They are built nothing like dominion ships, using far different technology from that of the standard dominion tech. Im sure they use some kind of biotech, essentially making their ships alive. Their weapons, engines and other technologies are nothing like dominion stuff. Having their ships built at the same yard is like trying to build a car in a shipwright A dedicated breen yard makes more sense, and the same when the son'a are introduced.

Also i dont think building a prototype for all ships except the attack bugs is quite right either. The dominion have been building their battleships for years so why do they need a prototype for that! Its a ship of the line, already manufactured in large numbers.

Considering the other races get their big bad ships as standard, i dislike the fact that i MUST capture an enemy building ship or have an ally to get my dreadnaughts! Research to have them fine, but the didnt need mixed tech in ds9. They DID build a prototype however, which i think was smaller than the ones you see in later battles.

The dreadnaught being different depending on which avatar you chose could be a nice alternative, without even removing the mixed tech ones, which could be stronger than the standard ones.

Since the borg can have as many cubes as they like, it seems odd that dom dreads (and to a lesser extent romulan tavaras) are restricted.

Finally, the hyperspace artillery really needs looking at. Doesnt seem to be any point building it (unless im missing something) Its attack is pretty weak on both stations and ships, not to mention easy for even cubes to avoid. Should either be faster to fire/reload, or more powerful.
The dreadnaughts rank 6 attack is awesome, so why is this huge, dedicated ship so weak?

As i said huge fan of the game, and when the dominion were introduced it became better than ever.

posted on March 8th, 2013, 12:32 pm

i like the idea of breen ships been built from a separate yard, would be nice if there could be something like 4 breen ships from it

posted on March 8th, 2013, 12:48 pm

First i agree that breen ships should come from a separate yard.
They are built nothing like dominion ships, using far different technology from that of the standard dominion tech. Im sure they use some kind of biotech, essentially making their ships alive. Their weapons, engines and other technologies are nothing like dominion stuff. Having their ships built at the same yard is like trying to build a car in a shipwright A dedicated breen yard makes more sense, and the same when the son'a are introduced.

first off, the reference to "organic technology" from VOY: "Scorpion" may not have applied to every single ship type the breen use. all we know is that some of their ships have organic technology. Secondly, voyager itself used organic technology (gel packs), it didn't need a separate ship yard, it was built at utopia planetia.

Also here is an image of the Monac ship yards. a Cardassian facility seen building dominion designs:

which supports the idea of shipyards being able to produce ships from races you are close with (like dominion are to breen and cardassian).

Considering the other races get their big bad ships as standard, i dislike the fact that i MUST capture an enemy building ship or have an ally to get my dreadnaughts! Research to have them fine, but the didnt need mixed tech in ds9. They DID build a prototype however, which i think was smaller than the ones you see in later battles.

fed: don't have a ship like the dread. klinks: don't have a ship like the dread. borg: they assimilate, they don't mix their tech.

Didn't need an ally in ds9? who do you think the cardassians and breen were? that alliance/annexing was even shown using mixed tech, kira stole a jemhadar bug that had a breen special weapon. seeing as the only time we saw the dread was in the alpha quadrant (even the big fleet sent in DS9: "Sacrifice of Angels" didn't have one), it's likely that the design was inspired by their allies and designed with their alpha quadrant needs in mind (like the greyer alpha jemhadar)

Since the borg can have as many cubes as they like, it seems odd that dom dreads (and to a lesser extent romulan tavaras) are restricted.

borg cubes are soft capped by cost and CC. more than 2 cubes in a standard rules multiplayer game is rare. for non borg races a big ship is a huge investment (compared to the building ability of the race as a whole). it's doubtful your base would be able to fully resource this ship, or crew it, alone, your government would have to help a lot. it would require more than a captain on board, maybe a low level admiral. these sorts of ships wouldn't be built every day. you'd probably need direct instructions from the head of the military to even start construction. They're not going to authorise you to build loads of showpiece ships, fleets aren't built around showpieces. You're only the boss of your base and ships, your boss will still give you orders, ie don't simply spam tavaras.

Finally, the hyperspace artillery really needs looking at. Doesnt seem to be any point building it (unless im missing something) Its attack is pretty weak on both stations and ships, not to mention easy for even cubes to avoid. Should either be faster to fire/reload, or more powerful.

HSA used to be more powerful. do you know what people used it for? nuking fleets. that's pretty much all anybody used it for ever. fleet combat. i'm glad it's been changed. people look at the hsa and the teutoburg, and they see a weak ship. and these ships definitely aren't good at fleet combat. but they have the range to fire at static defences unopposed. they are here for 1 purpose: give a counter to turtling. no turret can move, no turret can match ranges with these ships. that's why they are useful. the enemy either lets their turrets get rinsed from a distance, or commits their smaller fleet to fight yours. HSA sucks against fleets? good! it's not supposed to nuke fleets.

The dreadnaughts rank 6 attack is awesome, so why is this huge, dedicated ship so weak?

hsa competes with dread on size, but the dread costs more in tech/time and money. the hsa only costs 300/100/40 and doesn't even need a yard. any miner can switch modes to start building it. the hsa is basically a giant cannon. no need for anything else. just an artillery piece. look at our artillery pieces IRL, when infantry get close to them, they are useless, they rely on friendly infantry to defend them. any infantry can place explosives on an artillery piece and destroy it. the dread is already expensive, and if you get one promoted to veteran, well it deserves to be awesome. if the enemy lets you get a dread to vet, then you've probably earned all that xp by brutally murdering their fleet anyway.

as for prototypes, i like the fact they're unique to the dominion, but i wouldn't be opposed to seeing new ideas for something unique to the dominion.

posted on March 8th, 2013, 2:22 pm

Whether or not a Yard can build ships from different races would probably depend on how different the tech is. Little is known about Breen ships, but most tech in Star Trek tends to be similar enough to just stick alien gear on their ships with only a little trouble.

Not sure if Voyager is a good example, though; aside from the Gel Packs, it seems to be mostly a standard Starfleet ship.