Excalibur class

posted on December 18th, 2012, 3:40 am

1) yes this has been posted before
2) no this isn't a dreadnought sugjetion
3) yes I do feel it would add "futurism"

now that that's done with, here's the ship.




now this isn't a dreadnought, this is an exploration ship. however, it can be used as just about anything.
stats
begin stats: off: 33 def: 50 sys: 15
vet stats: off: 50 def: 100 sys: 24

dil: 920 tri: 340 sup: 31 time: 140
weapons: BPT (best possible)
range: Long
speed: 80
crew: 1000
size: huge

good sensors, no system enhancements (abaltive aromour etc...),
2 specials: 1 that draws fire to it within a very short distance. 2 reflecting fire for 10secs (it gets no dmg, but any weapon hit randomly to any ship, (opposing or friendly).

it's the only mega-huge ship the feds have but I would hardly call it a dread. its main purpose is that nothing counters it. it counters nothing. a good safe late-game ship if you have no eyes on your enemy.

likey?

PS: It can create fighter but MUCH slower then the avalon

PSS: it was meant so that sovvies are still the leading batship, and the gal the leading dipo ship, and the sience ships well the leading science ships.

posted on December 28th, 2012, 6:46 pm

Looks pretty. Make her yourself?

posted on January 5th, 2013, 3:39 am

They've already said no to this I believe.

Looks pretty. Make her yourself?

Hes not LC Amarel.(or even the original original creator from over a decade ago for that matter)

posted on January 6th, 2013, 4:13 am

no but well thoughts

posted on January 6th, 2013, 5:15 pm

Rule of Acquisition #239: Never be afraid to mislabel a product

You may say whatever you like, its a fed-dred, and just because you said its not, doesn't make it so. and it IS a "dred", I first encountered in bridge commander: kobmaru mod, and I singled out a borg cube.

I know that some argue that feds aren't dred-builders, but that's exactly what they are!

- The NX-01 was big compared to the blythies they drove at the time.
- When the first excelsior was launched, she was the biggest ship in the fleet
- The first galaxy class was a behemoth of tritanium compared even to the old excelsior!

Starfleet has always been one of big impressive family starships, almost like what the Galaxy was, when it was brand new, why should the excalibur not be a new stepping stone?

And she's pretty too!

posted on January 6th, 2013, 6:49 pm

Indeed, the Federation likes to try and be politically correct with their ship classifications. Reminds me of the Royal Navy and their "Through-Deck Cruisers"

posted on January 7th, 2013, 12:39 am

I know that some argue that feds aren't dred-builders, but that's exactly what they are!
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this is some of the most ridiculous logic i've ever heard. the nx01 being larger than all their other stuff doesn't make it a dread, the excel being larger than the fed's previous stuff doesn't make the excel a dread. the same with the galaxy.

starfleet's ships got a bit bigger over hundreds of years, giant surprise, presumably most races got bigger ships over time.

compare starfleet's ships to other races' ships. they never built anything on the scale of the big d, or the dominion dread.

posted on January 7th, 2013, 3:08 am

Well the NX-01 was a prototype, not sure what hull classification you'd give her. Heavy Cruiser (CA) perhaps?

The Excelsior started life as a Battlecruiser (BC), but by TNG was a Heavy Cruiser. The Galaxy I am a bit stumped on. It is more of a large explorer than anything else. The Dominion War proved it wasn't a Dreadnought. Starfleet gets so confusing with all their civvy bunny hugging At least the Klingons and Romulans have the decency to call a warship a warship

posted on January 7th, 2013, 4:26 am

I believe the TNG Technical Manual refers to the Galaxy's classification as "Explorer", being the largest class type Starfleet uses (I'm not entirely sure though, as I have been unable to unpack my copy from the box it's in for some time).

As for the Galaxy's war service -- other than the Odyssey, and maybe some at the Second Battle of Chin'toka (which was a rout for the Federation alliance), I don't think we saw any Galaxy class vessels destroyed. The USS Galaxy was damaged in the First Battle of Chin'toka, but not badly.

posted on January 7th, 2013, 12:31 pm

As for the Galaxy's war service -- other than the Odyssey, and maybe some at the Second Battle of Chin'toka (which was a rout for the Federation alliance), I don't think we saw any Galaxy class vessels destroyed. The USS Galaxy was damaged in the First Battle of Chin'toka, but not badly.

cough, enterprise d, cough.

of the named galaxy class vessels we've seen (not including alternate realities/futures/dimensions), the death rate is bad:

ent d - dead
yamato - dead (although not in combat)
odyssey - dead

venture - not dead
galaxy - not dead

3 out of 5 named galaxies died. i'd rather be assigned to a dominion war miranda.

posted on January 7th, 2013, 4:07 pm

cough, enterprise d, cough.

of the named galaxy class vessels we've seen (not including alternate realities/futures/dimensions), the death rate is bad:

ent d - dead
yamato - dead (although not in combat)
odyssey - dead

venture - not dead
galaxy - not dead

3 out of 5 named galaxies died. i'd rather be assigned to a dominion war miranda.

You forgot the USS Challenger (part of the flotilla that intercepted the Borg Sphere in Endgame) - not dead, although it's Dominion war service record is unknown (ie, we don't even know if it was even commissioned prior to the war's end).

But I wasn't counting the Yamato or the Enterprise-D as these weren't Dominion war service losses, and even the Odyssey's loss is understandable given the circumstances. Considering that we see deployments of up to ten Galaxy class vessels (see Memory Alpha article Unnamed Galaxy class starships) later on, I think Starfleet tactical had confidence in the class' ability to stand in the line of battle.

posted on January 7th, 2013, 4:50 pm

I think tactically speaking, (not size wise though) the Galaxy Class was used in the Dominion War much like a Battlecruiser was in actual combat. (in theory a Battlecruiser outgunned what it could not outrun, it never quite worked that way though).

They could dish some damage but they were valuable assets and so naturally Starfleet was hesitant to just throw them in there and hope it worked out. Not quite a "Glass Cannon" but you get the idea. Also, as with any capital ship, any damage would leave them in drydock for some time, whereas a more common ship like an Excelsior or Miranda (due to their older less complex systems and generally more basic construction) could be patched up easier.

posted on January 7th, 2013, 5:15 pm

Galaxy death isn't actually that bad, nothing short of a plot device or bad writing has actually killed one; 1 by Iconian-induced core breach, 2 by spies and/or loss of shields before battle (yet still managed a fight). Compare that to the proper warships that got slaughtered by the truckloads (often one-shotted) with no known sabotage. The Galaxy has done much better than most, except the Defiant (which also needed a plot device to kill) and Sovereign (rarely seen).

MA describes Dreadnought as a type of heavily armed starship, which fits the Galaxy... anything with more weapons than a Defiant probably counts. Don't know about the real-world definition.

posted on January 7th, 2013, 6:00 pm

You forgot the USS Challenger (part of the flotilla that intercepted the Borg Sphere in Endgame)

i forgot nothing, a galaxy class vessel appeared in that episode, it was a reuse of the challenger from timeless (alternate future). its name was never spoken aloud in endgame and the ship was always there as filler. i'm not counting it as a named galaxy class, as so many stupid things have occurred because of the reuse of previous assets. like a prometheus/vorcha in the battle with the sphere builders (ent j era).

the description 'dreadnought' comes from a british ship launched in 1906, unsurprisingly called hms dreadnought. the connotation of being big and heavily armed just stems from the fact that the hms dreadnought coincided with a leap forward in naval warfare technology. a new engine technology allowed a bigger, more heavily armed ship to be built. then that led to an arms race. the hms dreadnought was bigger and badder than all previous designs, the difference was so large that the word dreadnought got used to describe ships of similar size and armament. and that's been carried over to the dominion dreadnought, big, lots of guns.

the 1906 hms dreadnought wasn't even the first, there were 6 royal navy ships called hms dreadnought that came before. they were called dreadnought because it suggested the crew would 'dread nought' but god, ie fear nothing other than god.

the only mention of the word 'dreadnought' as a ship classification in trek came from radio chatter in star trek tmp. there was also the missile that got nicknamed dreadnought by the maquis, which is a bit of a misnomer as that ship/missile wasn't large at all.

so the word can best be defined by the fans. i think it should apply mainly to the dominion dread (and similar low production ships). something that is much larger than its contemporaries, and much more heavily armed. the galaxy doesn't count at all, as the galaxy was easily outsized by the big d, which i don't count as a dreadnought either, the big d appaered in numbers, just like the galaxy. they are both just large ships. smaller ships still remained competitive with the big d/galaxy. nothing short of a fleet would remain competitive with a dominion dread.

one key thing about dreadnought as a word is that after it fell out of common use, all battleships were up to that standard. the dreadnought made pre-dreadnought style battleships obsolete. dreadnoughts became the standard for battleships. can the same be said about the dominion dread? the resources that must have been used for it would have been extreme. i don't think the dominion dread became a standard.

posted on January 7th, 2013, 9:50 pm

Several Galaxy class vessels were in that episode, but apparently (I don't have it to hand, so I can't verify myself) one was able to be identified as the USS Challenger. But I'm not going to debate that too hard, as ultimately it's not germane to my main point -- which is that we've seen a lot more Galaxy class ships on-screen than the three that have been destroyed, and other than the USS Odyssey there is little to no hard evidence of any Galaxy class ships being lost during the Dominion War.

The term Dreadnought as a Starfleet classification has been in soft-canon before TMP; the original Star Fleet Technical Manual by Franz Joseph contained external views of a ship of that type, subsequently used on a computer screen in Star Trek III. Its use in Trek licensed works has always differed somewhat from the historical usage -- USS Excelsior is probably the closest Trek analogue to being the watershed moment of design that the HMS Dreadnought was -- but maintains that sense of a powerful vessel.