How is the offense value calculated?

posted on July 16th, 2010, 3:26 pm

Question is in the topic
I ask, because i noted that the Fed Phaser platform does 17.5 dps (42 offense value) and the dominion phaser sentry does 11 dps (34 offense value).

posted on July 16th, 2010, 3:30 pm

The truth is we don't exactly know: Mal has a few posts on the forum about his rough calculations which usually get within 1-2 points of the actual value, but as we've recently discovered, having multi-targeting seems to affect the Offensive Value as well. Consequently it appears that Multi-Targeters can artificially lower the Offensive Value.

posted on July 16th, 2010, 3:39 pm

i just wonder: both shouldnt be Multitargeter, if i remember right. And going after the values we see ingame: The fed phaser plattform does 0,42 points damage per offensive point and the dominion one does only 0,32 damage per offensive point. So i got curios, how this is calculated 

posted on July 16th, 2010, 4:00 pm

Dominion also has EPS control nodes, that might affect the offense value.

posted on July 16th, 2010, 4:19 pm

Passives do not affect Offensive Value .

If you put up the damage each shot does, and the shot delay up here I can show you the calculation up here more or less. I don't have FO installed on this machine 

posted on July 16th, 2010, 5:19 pm

Dominion Phaser Sentry: 34 Offense, Phaser does 22 Damage, 2 Sec Delay
Federation Phaser Plattform: 42 Offense, Phaser does 35 Damage, 2 Sec Delay

posted on July 16th, 2010, 7:32 pm

yep the calculations for the system values are quite complicated, as many many factors are taken into account, including the Phaser Sentries passive ability, race specific or weapon specific characteristics, weaponrange and the like

system wise, its actually the other way round the unis characteristics are calculated from the attributes

posted on July 16th, 2010, 8:11 pm

Dominion Phaser Sentry: 34 Offense, Phaser does 22 Damage, 2 Sec Delay
Federation Phaser Plattform: 42 Offense, Phaser does 35 Damage, 2 Sec Delay

Hm, those values seem odd. I'll check that when I get to my FO computer. 

yep the calculations for the system values are quite complicated, as many many factors are taken into account, including the Phaser Sentries passive ability, race specific or weapon specific characteristics, weaponrange and the like

system wise, its actually the other way round the unis characteristics are calculated from the attributes

Somehow I have a very very hard time believing that the Offensive Value is affected by passives directly - all offensive values have stayed constant, and all internal values stayed constant between versions 3.1.2 and 3.1.3 even though passives were changed, diminished, or switched. The mystery of Offensive Value will continue I think, because sometimes the values make sense - and other times, things are just plain screwy!  . What I'd like to know is how to approximate Defensive Value. 

posted on July 16th, 2010, 9:35 pm

The best way to calculate offensive value is to double the tax, then round up.

posted on July 16th, 2010, 9:36 pm

Aye... but for some reason, offensive values are easily calculated for ships, yet can't be calculated in the same manner for turrets I'm seeing.  :sweatdrop:

posted on July 16th, 2010, 9:38 pm

Read my post again.

posted on July 16th, 2010, 9:48 pm

posted on July 16th, 2010, 9:54 pm

passive abilities might directy affect damage dealth, or affect offensive value, depends on their effect