The Borg rock.
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posted on May 3rd, 2009, 11:25 am
Seriously, what you guys have done with the Borg is amazing. Their entire play style is kick ass, and the fact you can really send a cube into an entire fleet and have a somewhat positive outcome rocks! 
Jolteon
posted on May 3rd, 2009, 10:56 pm
I'm not a huge fan of the new system being honest, I find it too fiddly, so I always play as the Federation now. Very tempted to wipe FO and go back to the original though, I want the old borg back 
posted on May 3rd, 2009, 11:07 pm
The old Borg? You mean V2? You mean the version where a cube is... well... a 2x Sovereign? 
Jolteon
posted on May 4th, 2009, 12:10 pm
posted on May 4th, 2009, 12:29 pm
posted on May 4th, 2009, 3:12 pm
I think by fiddly he means there is too much manual control involved. build a node, then choose module1 then choose module 2 then choose module 3 then click confirm. if there is lag and u click the torp too many times, it hits the cancel which exists in the same slot on the next step and u lose all ur resource.
things like that.
things like that.
Jolteon
posted on May 4th, 2009, 4:05 pm
serpicus wrote:I think by fiddly he means there is too much manual control involved. build a node, then choose module1 then choose module 2 then choose module 3 then click confirm. if there is lag and u click the torp too many times, it hits the cancel which exists in the same slot on the next step and u lose all ur resource.
things like that.
Yes, that. I'd much prefer a build system like the other races.
posted on May 4th, 2009, 4:07 pm
posted on May 4th, 2009, 4:21 pm
posted on May 4th, 2009, 4:23 pm
What things were left unanswered? As far as I know, every question WAS answered 
posted on May 4th, 2009, 4:29 pm
posted on May 4th, 2009, 4:33 pm
Other than not knowing exactly how collective connections work, I don't see any unanswered questions 
posted on May 4th, 2009, 4:46 pm
I dont want to start another unnecessary back and forth m8... u seem eager to engage me today :fish: .
But since you're asking, I had some additional questions which were left unanswered. they were specifically geared towards the fiddly aspect. Optec mentions the idea of building, and the fact that a node would dissipate on construction.
collective connections i dont care about. it is more priority related and we need to see how that one fleshes out.
however, the million dollar question is how does that alleviate the fiddly aspect.
We see him mentioning that the borg would be able to select all the modules from one interface. However, in the video i see the same "style" of interface of having to click on each torp, phaser etc. and then getting an overview of the completed structure.
this is no different from the current logic of click click lcikc and confirm, except it does not wait for each click to be confirmed by the system (meaning click torp and wait in MP to see the 1/3 populate for hull).
We do get an overview and are able to more effectively manage the build (however, most of us who have played borg often have a feel for resources per hull - for example we knowtactical cubes wth 3 toprs, 2 armours, and 1 disruptor beam are about 4500 dil and about 1900 tri give or take a few of course. A regular cube with microtech on the other hands falls to within about 3400 dil and about 1200 tri again give or take a few).
This interface doesnt seem to address the fiddly aspects.
The gameplay changes for borg where optec mentions that costs have been changed and resource management is different (which have not been disclosed here) are assumed by me to have some side effect which MAY alleviate teh fiddly aspect as regards borg gameplay (especially since we see the borg ship being constructed in the vid).
so im hoping to wait and watch to see of the overall gameplay changes help alleviate the borg's "fiddleyness", which I tend to call overemphasis on micromanagement... (it may be good from an overall look and feel aspect, but is annoying for a player in the heat of combat).
Hence my last post of wait and watch, as it would be rude on my part to have pressed any further in that thread.
.But since you're asking, I had some additional questions which were left unanswered. they were specifically geared towards the fiddly aspect. Optec mentions the idea of building, and the fact that a node would dissipate on construction.
collective connections i dont care about. it is more priority related and we need to see how that one fleshes out.
however, the million dollar question is how does that alleviate the fiddly aspect.
We see him mentioning that the borg would be able to select all the modules from one interface. However, in the video i see the same "style" of interface of having to click on each torp, phaser etc. and then getting an overview of the completed structure.
this is no different from the current logic of click click lcikc and confirm, except it does not wait for each click to be confirmed by the system (meaning click torp and wait in MP to see the 1/3 populate for hull).
We do get an overview and are able to more effectively manage the build (however, most of us who have played borg often have a feel for resources per hull - for example we knowtactical cubes wth 3 toprs, 2 armours, and 1 disruptor beam are about 4500 dil and about 1900 tri give or take a few of course. A regular cube with microtech on the other hands falls to within about 3400 dil and about 1200 tri again give or take a few).
This interface doesnt seem to address the fiddly aspects.
The gameplay changes for borg where optec mentions that costs have been changed and resource management is different (which have not been disclosed here) are assumed by me to have some side effect which MAY alleviate teh fiddly aspect as regards borg gameplay (especially since we see the borg ship being constructed in the vid).
so im hoping to wait and watch to see of the overall gameplay changes help alleviate the borg's "fiddleyness", which I tend to call overemphasis on micromanagement... (it may be good from an overall look and feel aspect, but is annoying for a player in the heat of combat).
Hence my last post of wait and watch, as it would be rude on my part to have pressed any further in that thread.
posted on May 4th, 2009, 5:01 pm
Aww, didn't mean I wanted a fight mate: I just wanted to know which things you still had questions for so that I could possibly answer them
As far as I understood, it will still be "fiddly": it just requires you to foot the bill all at once and wait for construction . Imo this is because the Borg are inherently non-micromanaging... and this is the way to balance them (hence having node construction and selectable modules ... of course that is also because having 50 different types of Assimilator would be downright ridiculous 
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As far as I understood, it will still be "fiddly": it just requires you to foot the bill all at once and wait for construction
. Imo this is because the Borg are inherently non-micromanaging... and this is the way to balance them (hence having node construction and selectable modules ... of course that is also because having 50 different types of Assimilator would be downright ridiculous )posted on May 4th, 2009, 5:13 pm
yup yup. they will still be fiddly. hence Jolteon's concerns weren't met by this preview 
phew
phew
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