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posted on April 1st, 2014, 7:01 pm
Is this supposed to be a Miranda Mk2? I dont see how a 200 year old ship would be a flagship, unless it was some sort of a refit. It would make much more sense for the phalanx or descent to be the flagship. The phalanx has good offensive and defensive powers, while the descent is very defensive, which is perfect for a command ship in a firefight, or for transporting vips.
Im really confused by the choice of the miranda, I like the ship but its too old... I really question this decision
Im really confused by the choice of the miranda, I like the ship but its too old... I really question this decision
posted on April 1st, 2014, 8:03 pm
@ray
I totally agree man. I look back at my first public mod, all those years ago, adding this very ship to Fleetops. It was a huge mistake. I feel I may need to boycott this decision.
I totally agree man. I look back at my first public mod, all those years ago, adding this very ship to Fleetops. It was a huge mistake. I feel I may need to boycott this decision.
posted on April 1st, 2014, 8:11 pm
ray320 wrote:Is this supposed to be a Miranda Mk2? I dont see how a 200 year old ship would be a flagship, unless it was some sort of a refit. It would make much more sense for the phalanx or descent to be the flagship. The phalanx has good offensive and defensive powers, while the descent is very defensive, which is perfect for a command ship in a firefight, or for transporting vips.
Im really confused by the choice of the miranda, I like the ship but its too old... I really question this decision
It's not real. Check the date...
posted on April 1st, 2014, 8:12 pm
@Zaxxon and ray
I object! It's an iconic trademark of the Federation. It has bided it's time, waiting for the chance to rise and become the next flagship. That time is now. Mirandanites, rise! Rebel! You will be astonished at the the number of supporters there are. Those even daring to boycott will rue this day when history wasn't made!
I object! It's an iconic trademark of the Federation. It has bided it's time, waiting for the chance to rise and become the next flagship. That time is now. Mirandanites, rise! Rebel! You will be astonished at the the number of supporters there are. Those even daring to boycott will rue this day when history wasn't made!
posted on April 1st, 2014, 8:16 pm
Lt.Cmdr Worf wrote:eraldorh wrote:Likewise, the Sovereign and Galaxy are both creations of a time of peace, and that just doesn't fit with the Federation's goals of galactic domination through root beer.
Well that's wrong... the first Sovereign aka the USS Sovereign was built in 2372 exactly 2 years after the start of the dominion war and so during the war and obviously not in a time of peace. Dominion war began in 2370 and ended in 2375.
Actually thats inaccurate... The Enterprise-E was launched in 2372.. the Borg invaded in 2373 and the Dominion War began roughly 6 months later; The war lasted almost 2 years..not five
Buuuut...moving right along.. ME WANTA MEGA-DEZTRUCTO-PHAZORRZZZ!!!!!
April Fools!!!!
Okay post your source
The war began when that guy said you have no idea whats begun here, which was in 2370. it ended in 2375.
The USS Sovereign was launched in 2372 and was a prototype this came before the enterprise....obviously otherwise it would be called the enterprise.
posted on April 1st, 2014, 8:21 pm
Thinking about it, this is probably the only occasion ever before (or ever will be) that I'm missing JetNova/JeMezu, and his tantrum when he totally falls for the April Fool for anything up to several weeks, goes on a complete rampage about how it's all wrong, and refuses to accept April Fools Day's existence. And he's not here to do that this year. Shame.
@eraldorh: Yes and no. According to Memory Alpha the war was 2373-2375, but it was a "cold war" from 2370. Points of view. Certainly enough to categorise the Sovvy as not being made in a time of peace, as although it would have certainly taken longer than 2 years to design and build, changes will have been made to match the situation.
@eraldorh: Yes and no. According to Memory Alpha the war was 2373-2375, but it was a "cold war" from 2370. Points of view. Certainly enough to categorise the Sovvy as not being made in a time of peace, as although it would have certainly taken longer than 2 years to design and build, changes will have been made to match the situation.
posted on April 1st, 2014, 8:50 pm
you got me there, i didnt realize what date is it. nicely done. 
posted on April 1st, 2014, 9:04 pm
Atlantis wrote:Thinking about it, this is probably the only occasion ever before (or ever will be) that I'm missing JetNova/JeMezu, and his tantrum when he totally falls for the April Fool for anything up to several weeks, goes on a complete rampage about how it's all wrong, and refuses to accept April Fools Day's existence. And he's not here to do that this year. Shame.
@eraldorh: Yes and no. According to Memory Alpha the war was 2373-2375, but it was a "cold war" from 2370. Points of view. Certainly enough to categorise the Sovvy as not being made in a time of peace, as although it would have certainly taken longer than 2 years to design and build, changes will have been made to match the situation.
Thats just guestimation, cold war isn't a time of peace anyway so there's no way of seeing that statement as correct. Its clearly a battleship not a ship of exploration. Also not a cold war a cold war is when nothing happens, the USS odyssey got into a massive firefight with jemhadar attack ships and was later rammed this is an act of war and war was quickly declared by that eris guy and what followed was a massive build up. Your guesstimation is also wrong because the USS enterprice fought in the borg battle in sector 001 using the sovvie and that was in 2373 so obviously doesnt take that long for a ship to be designed and built.
posted on April 1st, 2014, 9:42 pm
Well it helps when everyone plays along and dont shout out april fools...
posted on April 1st, 2014, 11:39 pm
Hey, if a genetically augmented Latino with a combined Muslim-Sikh name used it to cripple the Enterprise and kill Spock, it's good enough for me. PLUS...you can show how superior 2-dimensional tactics really are 
all hail the glorius Miranda! Praise to her torpedo pods; may they forever strike true at her enemies
all hail the glorius Miranda! Praise to her torpedo pods; may they forever strike true at her enemies
posted on April 2nd, 2014, 5:15 am
@eraldorh - okay man. you win......congrats! here's your prize
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..no but seriously. you need to go and rewatch Deep Space Nine from season 3 on. you tell me how many wars the Federation, the Klingons and the Romulans fought in and ill tell you that youre wrong. Oh and my 'source' is the television show that ran for 7 years.. of which ive seen every episode multiple times... And the fact that in Season 6 - Episode 1 - A Time to Stand, O'Brien comments that they've endured roughly "three months of bloody slaughter." Implying that between the Season 5 Finale and the Season 6 Opener..its been three months since they abandoned Deep Space Nine to the Dominion..meaning the War has been going on for only three months.. ending in Season 7 " What you leave Behind" sooooooooooooooooo whats 7-5??? If you guess 2..then you were correct!!! Yaaay you can subtract! congrats. Okay. feeding time is over.
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..no but seriously. you need to go and rewatch Deep Space Nine from season 3 on. you tell me how many wars the Federation, the Klingons and the Romulans fought in and ill tell you that youre wrong. Oh and my 'source' is the television show that ran for 7 years.. of which ive seen every episode multiple times... And the fact that in Season 6 - Episode 1 - A Time to Stand, O'Brien comments that they've endured roughly "three months of bloody slaughter." Implying that between the Season 5 Finale and the Season 6 Opener..its been three months since they abandoned Deep Space Nine to the Dominion..meaning the War has been going on for only three months.. ending in Season 7 " What you leave Behind" sooooooooooooooooo whats 7-5??? If you guess 2..then you were correct!!! Yaaay you can subtract! congrats. Okay. feeding time is over.
posted on April 2nd, 2014, 12:38 pm
Lt.Cmdr Worf wrote:@eraldorh - okay man. you win......congrats! here's your prize
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..no but seriously. you need to go and rewatch Deep Space Nine from season 3 on. you tell me how many wars the Federation, the Klingons and the Romulans fought in and ill tell you that youre wrong. Oh and my 'source' is the television show that ran for 7 years.. of which ive seen every episode multiple times... And the fact that in Season 6 - Episode 1 - A Time to Stand, O'Brien comments that they've endured roughly "three months of bloody slaughter." Implying that between the Season 5 Finale and the Season 6 Opener..its been three months since they abandoned Deep Space Nine to the Dominion..meaning the War has been going on for only three months.. ending in Season 7 " What you leave Behind" sooooooooooooooooo whats 7-5??? If you guess 2..then you were correct!!! Yaaay you can subtract! congrats. Okay. feeding time is over.
Wow really i guess you know more than http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Dominion_War and all the trekkies that submit the information there. Silly me.
Yeah its easy to call troll when your wrong, go forth and bask in your ignorant glory.
posted on April 2nd, 2014, 3:01 pm
This better be an April Fools Day joke because....
On the subject of the Federation Flagship, here are some suggestions I'd like to put forward...
The Devs making it the Miranda-class is a major disgrace. During the Dominion War, it was proven how weak and pathetic the Miranda-class was. It even had a weakness to "Friendly Fire" in the battle to retake DS9 (Operation Return) the USS Defiant is shown taking out the entire forward half of a Miranda-class starship's saucer section. You have to look very closely to see it happen, right after though, Dax reports: "We've just lost the Seatech and the Majestic, we're on our own." In the seen prior to that, two Miranda-class starships were destroyed, the one by the Defiant and another by a Dominion/Jem'Hadar Ship.
It's a disgrace to the entire Star Trek Franchise for the Miranda-class to be made a Federation Flagship, the design is very old being introduced into Starfleet in the 23rd Century, entering service in the mid-2280's, and FleetOps is supposed to be post-Nemesis (Star Trek Nemesis was set in 2379) so that puts the Miranda-class close to if not 100 years old. It was never designed to be in service that long, obviously something the FleetOps Devs don't realize.
(http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Miranda_class)
The best choices in FleetOps that are Federation Flagship material are: the Galaxy-class (if its refitted more), the Sovereign-class, the Descent-class and the Phalanx-class.
The best non-FleetOps but from Star Trek Online (STO) choices that are Federation Flagship material are: the combination variant of the Odyssey-class Tactical Cruiser (Has Saucer Separation, Worker Bees that recharge the shields, and an Aquarius-class Tactical Fighter that can be used as an Escort Ship) (Now the Odyssey-class is truly real Federation Flagship Material, but there's also the Vesta-class, The Galaxy-class X-Refit Dreadnought Class (AKA: Galaxy-X Class), and the Avenger-class.
http://www.ufstarfleet.org/wiki/index.p ... s_Starship
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Odyssey_Star_Cruiser
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Odyssey_Tactical_Cruiser (has write up on the Aquarius-class Escort)
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Vesta_class
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Galaxy_Dreadnought_Cruiser
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Avenger_class
What do you think about my suggestions for the Federation's Flagship, or do you think the Miranda-class is better? If you like the Miranda-class as the Federation Flagship, why do you like it?
On the subject of the Federation Flagship, here are some suggestions I'd like to put forward...
The Devs making it the Miranda-class is a major disgrace. During the Dominion War, it was proven how weak and pathetic the Miranda-class was. It even had a weakness to "Friendly Fire" in the battle to retake DS9 (Operation Return) the USS Defiant is shown taking out the entire forward half of a Miranda-class starship's saucer section. You have to look very closely to see it happen, right after though, Dax reports: "We've just lost the Seatech and the Majestic, we're on our own." In the seen prior to that, two Miranda-class starships were destroyed, the one by the Defiant and another by a Dominion/Jem'Hadar Ship.
It's a disgrace to the entire Star Trek Franchise for the Miranda-class to be made a Federation Flagship, the design is very old being introduced into Starfleet in the 23rd Century, entering service in the mid-2280's, and FleetOps is supposed to be post-Nemesis (Star Trek Nemesis was set in 2379) so that puts the Miranda-class close to if not 100 years old. It was never designed to be in service that long, obviously something the FleetOps Devs don't realize.
(http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Miranda_class)
The best choices in FleetOps that are Federation Flagship material are: the Galaxy-class (if its refitted more), the Sovereign-class, the Descent-class and the Phalanx-class.
The best non-FleetOps but from Star Trek Online (STO) choices that are Federation Flagship material are: the combination variant of the Odyssey-class Tactical Cruiser (Has Saucer Separation, Worker Bees that recharge the shields, and an Aquarius-class Tactical Fighter that can be used as an Escort Ship) (Now the Odyssey-class is truly real Federation Flagship Material, but there's also the Vesta-class, The Galaxy-class X-Refit Dreadnought Class (AKA: Galaxy-X Class), and the Avenger-class.
http://www.ufstarfleet.org/wiki/index.p ... s_Starship
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Odyssey_Star_Cruiser
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Odyssey_Tactical_Cruiser (has write up on the Aquarius-class Escort)
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Vesta_class
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Galaxy_Dreadnought_Cruiser
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Avenger_class
What do you think about my suggestions for the Federation's Flagship, or do you think the Miranda-class is better? If you like the Miranda-class as the Federation Flagship, why do you like it?
posted on April 2nd, 2014, 3:20 pm
The flagship must be ..... The superior and mighty Sabre! 
Why? because is small and cheap, the federation would dominate the whole galaxy just by numbers! Like the Borg but with cheaper ships!
Please don't get into the old discussion about Sabre or Saber!
Why? because is small and cheap, the federation would dominate the whole galaxy just by numbers! Like the Borg but with cheaper ships!
Please don't get into the old discussion about Sabre or Saber!
posted on April 2nd, 2014, 8:02 pm
eraldorh wrote:Thats just guestimation, cold war isn't a time of peace anyway so there's no way of seeing that statement as correct. Its clearly a battleship not a ship of exploration. Also not a cold war a cold war is when nothing happens, the USS odyssey got into a massive firefight with jemhadar attack ships and was later rammed this is an act of war and war was quickly declared by that eris guy and what followed was a massive build up. Your guesstimation is also wrong because the USS enterprice fought in the borg battle in sector 001 using the sovvie and that was in 2373 so obviously doesnt take that long for a ship to be designed and built.
I don't understand your assertion about "obviously doesn't take that long for a ship to be designed and built"... Where are you getting that from? When is it categorically stated when the Sovereign started to be designed? We know when it was finished, but not when it was started... So you're "guesstimating" too. So meh, whatever, points of view. Yours is just an opinion, just like mine.
I do actually agree with you that it was not designed in a time of peace. The Sovereign design will have been (conjecture/opinion/guesstimation) begun along with the Defiant; following Wolf 359, as a more long-term counterpart to the Defiant's quick fix.
And there has never been a time of peace. There has always been either war or "cold war". Before the Dominion cold war period there was cold war with the Cardassians, following the events of "The Wounded" there was bound to be consideration towards war with them. Also the Klingon Civil War, showing that even our closest allies could be destabilised. And the tense situations with the Romulans... can we call TNG a time of peace?
Go back earlier, there's the previous Cardassian War, an evidently turbulent situation with the Klingons (only solidified by the Ent-C's actions at Narendra III), Talarian War, the disastrious first contact with the Ferengi, and many many other hostilities. There has never been a "time of peace".
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