New Borg Economy

posted on April 1st, 2013, 6:55 pm

Let's suspend disbelief for a moment as this is only a game and those were only movies.

For all the talk of the borg adding other races' biological and technological distinctiveness to their own, in every movie and tv show the borg were always the same, looked the same, acted the same. I don't recall seeing or hearing of a difference made to the borg no matter who/what they assimilated? Their ships were always the same and never appeared to change or be enhanced? I guess it was just implied that they were somehow "improved?"

The borg couldn't do much in engineering in First Contact since Data locked out the computer core. Though one wonders how the most sophisticated race known couldn't circumvent that? Just a plot point like the interplexing beacon.
Who knows what gets used and what doesn't since we never saw a ship after completed assimilation? They've used the same cubes for millenia so no other race appears to do it better than the borg.

I also can't imagine the borg needing to recycle anything. I'm sure with their technology and resources they could make/replicate anything they need and not have to mine or scavange for spare parts.

In stock A2 I always just recycled captured ships at a standard shipyard, didn't use the recycler at all unless assimilating a weapon. The resources gained between the two were negligable. These new changes do sound intersting though and can't wait to try them out.

[Denarius]

posted on April 1st, 2013, 7:11 pm

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Whoohoo! Just what the borg needed. Way more ways to diversify its fleet

posted on April 1st, 2013, 7:19 pm

Why indeed...

For all the talk of the borg adding other races' biological and technological distinctiveness to their own, in every movie and tv show the borg were always the same, looked the same, acted the same. I don't recall seeing or hearing of a difference made to the borg no matter who/what they assimilated? Their ships were always the same and never appeared to change or be enhanced? I guess it was just implied that they were somehow "improved?"

Are you expecting them to simply tape Klingon disruptors and Federation computer panels on their ships? It's never wise to judge by appearance...

[Myles]

posted on April 1st, 2013, 7:27 pm

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[Denarius]

posted on April 1st, 2013, 7:36 pm

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New borg strats being cooked up over here

posted on April 1st, 2013, 7:39 pm

LOL Today is 4/1 huh? What a dumb day.

posted on April 1st, 2013, 7:41 pm

The Element thing sounds uncanny, un-Borg like and just 100% something the Borg would never do! When the Borg Assimilate a ship or station in Star Trek (and I mean the TV shows and the movies, namely First Contact since its the only Borg featured movie) they do 1 of 2 things:

(1) They disassemble the vessel and incorporate its most valuable technologies into the construction of another vessel or they add it to the vessel that did the assimilating to approve efficiency. Even the non-essential parts of an assimilated vessel or station get used, never are they broken down to the sub-atomic or atomic level of their elements.

(2) Even when a vessel has been boarded by the Borg, the crew assimilated (or partially assimilated), they still make use of the vessel as they start to assimilate it. Case and point: "Star Trek: First Contact". As the Borg were starting to assimilate the USS Enterprise NCC 1701-E, they first assimilated and took over Engineering, they then captured the rest of the ship up to deck 11 then they just stopped. There they set out to turn the Main Deflector into an Interplexing Beacon that they could use to contact the rest if the Borg Collective in that century.

Creation of the Interplexing Beacon.JPG

The creators of the stock Armada II game were right when they included the Borg Recycler. Who ever thought of this idea with elements in my opinion based on Star Trek Canon NEEDS to rethink this whole Elenent thing. This better be an April Fools joke, if it ain't well I just will never play as the Borg anymore because of this illogical overcite!
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Assimilation
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Borg_cube
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek)
Pretty much, I bet no one could ever recall any episode where the Borg ever broke down anything for its elements, because then why would they choose to destroy anything that they couldn't assimilate. If I am mistaken, please anyone prove that this is something the Borg in Star Trek Canon actually do.

If it could be broken down into its base elements, everything would be useful to the Borg and then destroying anything would be illogical and thus un-Borg like because they strive for perfection. If this was even possible, I doubt the Borg would have a Directive to destroy those that they find unassimilatable. Instead they would have something to break down those forms of resistance into the original elements that would make up the target.

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The only really good thing here is the Borg Unicomplex idea, finally the Borg will be able to build like Borg, but really all primary Borg stations and ships (spheres and cubes) should be what's allowed in the construction of a Borg Unicomplex and possibly the incorporation of the ability for the included ships to be able to separate from the facility without disassembling it or making it look weird. The area where Borg vessels connect should be like docking berths.

Borg Unicomplex.JPG

(If you look closely at the pictured Borg Unicomplex from Star Trek Voyager, you can see the possible areas that could be docking berths)

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Unicomplex]
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Borg_Unicomplex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek)#Unicomplex
http://www.stdimension.org/Institutions/UnicomplexE.htm
http://www.stowiki.org/Unicomplex

Sorry but this is ALL wrong and the devs are absolutely right! This is how the borg are supposed to be baby! I just hope they add Cube fusion and we will see the super hyper cube.

posted on April 1st, 2013, 8:21 pm

Actually my information is canon, I'm not going by my links but by the "silver screen" (the episodes and movies) they clearly speak what I am saying.

The Borg incorporate assimilated technology, they never break it down to basic elements, sub-atomic particles. I haven't found one price of evidence that says otherwise, so JeanLucPicard, you are wrong and as Locutus, the "real" Picard in Star Trek TNG would actually agree with me especially given his connection to the Borg.

Someone clearly doesn't know the Borg and are trying to ruin them... Again!

posted on April 1st, 2013, 8:35 pm

Bah, grow a sense of humor.

posted on April 1st, 2013, 8:40 pm

"silver screen" (the episodes and movies)

silver screen only means cinema.

posted on April 1st, 2013, 8:42 pm

Don't know what you mean with the "real" Picard? I'm THE real JeanLucPicard! and again your links still haven't proof absolutely anything.

Now if you think how the Borg eat, you will appreciate what the devs are doing! Or you think they go to any McDonalds in the Delta quadrant? hell no, they just use the basic element in the periodic table (look at the picture!)

I think everything is clear now, once again check your canon you are confused.

posted on April 1st, 2013, 8:56 pm

Don't know what you mean with the "real" Picard? I'm THE real JeanLucPicard! and again your links still haven't proof absolutely anything.

Now if you think how the Borg eat, you will appreciate what the devs are doing! Or you think they go to any McDonalds in the Delta quadrant? hell no, they just use the basic element in the periodic table (look at the picture!)

I think everything is clear now, once again check your canon you are confused.

LOL too funny. How do we know you aren't a Chameloid?

@ Je-mezu: To be fair, I don't think we've ever seen the borg "incorporate" anything into their culture except other people. I certainly don't remember seeing any "incorporating" taking place but I can't be certain. They've scanned ships and computers but never actually appeared to do anything with it.

posted on April 1st, 2013, 9:05 pm

As I said before, you're making the mistake of judging by appearance. They don't just stick enemy stuff on their ship; they take it apart, study it and use that to improve their own technology.

They don't take the A2 'Tech Assimilator' route.

posted on April 1st, 2013, 9:31 pm

I'm not assuming, mistaking, judging, or denying anything. I did state it was implied that other tech was used to improve the borg somehow, but the fact that we haven't seen them incorporate or break something down to sub-atomic particles just means we have no proof of what they do. Until I meet an actual borg I can't say what they do or do not do.

They've obviously gotten to where they are somehow (assimilating new techs) it's just that we've never really been given a glimpse of how it all took place/was used. So to come here and say "NO" the borg don't do that is a little presumptive.

posted on April 1st, 2013, 10:26 pm

Whooww! So to see I have some catching up to, boys.It sound great :3