help against warp-in
posted on April 25th, 2009, 9:47 pm
so have anyone an idea to beat the super duper fed rush? i mean i tried at with every race against the feds and failed with all of them. a nasty fed player builds starfleet command as fast as possible and thens starts with sabers and intrepids. but the point is you cant beat the feds cause they have the almighty warp-in on their side and therefore 2-9 extra ships for 0d/0t. maybe you can change the warp in a bit.
1. the first 3 warp-ins you get only 1 ship after this 3 like now or
2. bind the incoming ships to the chassis size for example
you havent researched any chassis level:
only miranda and excelsior
chassis lvl 1
excelsior and very few nebula/steamrunner
chassis lvl 2
nebula/steamrunner more frequent very few galaxy
chassis lvl 3
galaxy as often as now and a few nebula/steamrunner
ps: warp-in sucks (sry lost 3 times in the last 2 hours)....
1. the first 3 warp-ins you get only 1 ship after this 3 like now or
2. bind the incoming ships to the chassis size for example
you havent researched any chassis level:
only miranda and excelsior
chassis lvl 1
excelsior and very few nebula/steamrunner
chassis lvl 2
nebula/steamrunner more frequent very few galaxy
chassis lvl 3
galaxy as often as now and a few nebula/steamrunner
ps: warp-in sucks (sry lost 3 times in the last 2 hours)....
posted on April 25th, 2009, 10:37 pm
Lets play some games and I can show you how to counter it, hopefully 
posted on April 25th, 2009, 10:38 pm
posted on April 26th, 2009, 7:54 am
posted on April 26th, 2009, 10:55 am
posted on April 26th, 2009, 1:36 pm
posted on April 26th, 2009, 4:28 pm
Last edited by Dominus_Noctis on April 26th, 2009, 5:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Writing you an explanation now Drone 
I'll put it here when I'm done.
EDIT:
Although the early warp-on rush is difficult to defeat, it is not undefeatable and really depends on your build order. However, keep in mind that you will most likely lose one freighter at least, if they only attack your mining and not your ships. Even though they are “free ships” there is a cool down which means after you destroy these “free ships”, your opponent is defenseless for a time… giving you the perfect opportunity to retaliate or build up. The faster your opponent goes for warp in, the weaker he/she will be because it requires a considerable investment early game. That said:
For Klingons, you can immediately build a shipyard plus extension and a research facility, before mining, and get out I believe 4-6 K’vorts before the warp-in facility is finished (researching the shield breaking torpedo really helps against the Descent warp-in for instance). Or, you can start by building a mining outpost and a shipyard plus an extension and start pumping out B’rels. You will have six or more by the time the warp in comes.
For Romulans, building the first shipyard and one mining facility, then the next mining facility and the first tech structure (making sure to pump out Rhienns). Research disrupter refit and its special. Set weapon autonomy on high.
For Federation you can either choose to go for warp in really early, or moderately later. If you want warp in the fastest way possible, you build the first tech facility and the shipyard, and then build the second tech facility and a mining outpost, making sure to spread your miners evenly between both the tritanium and dilithium mine so you don’t cripple yourself (if you need more dil, then distribute miners accordingly). Then go for Starfleet command and voila. The second method is to go for one mining, one shipyard and start building sabers. Then you can either build both tech facilities at once at the cost of later mining, or progress slowly by building one at a time. Your opponent will have warped into your base by then, but you will have several ships to fight at least.
For Dominion, build one mining, one shipyard, and then another mining and another shipyard. Start pumping out bugs. I think you should have at least 8 by the time the warp in comes in. If a bug loses shields, it will have no chance to retreat, so instead cause it to collide with one of your opponent’s ships.
For Borg, build your conduction matrix, and start getting out some nodes and scout cubes. If you know your opponent will go for Descents, use two beam modules, if not, go for interception modules. As optimize, in the time taken to get out the warp in you can already tech up to adaptors, which will easily kill the warp ins. As Assimilate, you should already have at least one assimilator decked out with assimilation beams to take down the crew really quickly (much faster than you can destroy your opponents ships). You can try to take a gamble and fast tech to the Transmission Matrix after building 3 nodes (not building them into Scubes), and then researching slicer immediately to deal damage quickly. This is more tricky though, as they will have already warped in and begun attacking you if you use this technique.
In general go for killing Steamrunners first because they will do the most damage to buildings with their special and normal attack. Nebulas should be killed next because their pulse weapon will murder the freighters. Kill Excellsiors next because although they have a weak attack, they attack the fastest and killing them will reduce your enemies firepower faster. Last go for galaxies as they do the most damage through torps, which will often miss your ships and the freighters. If it is a Descent, it is pretty self explanatory. Take advantage of the fact that your opponent most likely is not microing these units so that he can keep building, so cycle your ships into repairing, and trick your enemy into letting his ships fly next to your starbase by taking the freighters/ships he is attacking, and retreating them into range of his starbase.
Hopeful some of this advice is useful, but again, the best way to beat warp in is to actually play games against people who want to show you how to beat it.
I'll put it here when I'm done.
EDIT:
Although the early warp-on rush is difficult to defeat, it is not undefeatable and really depends on your build order. However, keep in mind that you will most likely lose one freighter at least, if they only attack your mining and not your ships. Even though they are “free ships” there is a cool down which means after you destroy these “free ships”, your opponent is defenseless for a time… giving you the perfect opportunity to retaliate or build up. The faster your opponent goes for warp in, the weaker he/she will be because it requires a considerable investment early game. That said:
For Klingons, you can immediately build a shipyard plus extension and a research facility, before mining, and get out I believe 4-6 K’vorts before the warp-in facility is finished (researching the shield breaking torpedo really helps against the Descent warp-in for instance). Or, you can start by building a mining outpost and a shipyard plus an extension and start pumping out B’rels. You will have six or more by the time the warp in comes.
For Romulans, building the first shipyard and one mining facility, then the next mining facility and the first tech structure (making sure to pump out Rhienns). Research disrupter refit and its special. Set weapon autonomy on high.
For Federation you can either choose to go for warp in really early, or moderately later. If you want warp in the fastest way possible, you build the first tech facility and the shipyard, and then build the second tech facility and a mining outpost, making sure to spread your miners evenly between both the tritanium and dilithium mine so you don’t cripple yourself (if you need more dil, then distribute miners accordingly). Then go for Starfleet command and voila. The second method is to go for one mining, one shipyard and start building sabers. Then you can either build both tech facilities at once at the cost of later mining, or progress slowly by building one at a time. Your opponent will have warped into your base by then, but you will have several ships to fight at least.
For Dominion, build one mining, one shipyard, and then another mining and another shipyard. Start pumping out bugs. I think you should have at least 8 by the time the warp in comes in. If a bug loses shields, it will have no chance to retreat, so instead cause it to collide with one of your opponent’s ships.
For Borg, build your conduction matrix, and start getting out some nodes and scout cubes. If you know your opponent will go for Descents, use two beam modules, if not, go for interception modules. As optimize, in the time taken to get out the warp in you can already tech up to adaptors, which will easily kill the warp ins. As Assimilate, you should already have at least one assimilator decked out with assimilation beams to take down the crew really quickly (much faster than you can destroy your opponents ships). You can try to take a gamble and fast tech to the Transmission Matrix after building 3 nodes (not building them into Scubes), and then researching slicer immediately to deal damage quickly. This is more tricky though, as they will have already warped in and begun attacking you if you use this technique.
In general go for killing Steamrunners first because they will do the most damage to buildings with their special and normal attack. Nebulas should be killed next because their pulse weapon will murder the freighters. Kill Excellsiors next because although they have a weak attack, they attack the fastest and killing them will reduce your enemies firepower faster. Last go for galaxies as they do the most damage through torps, which will often miss your ships and the freighters. If it is a Descent, it is pretty self explanatory. Take advantage of the fact that your opponent most likely is not microing these units so that he can keep building, so cycle your ships into repairing, and trick your enemy into letting his ships fly next to your starbase by taking the freighters/ships he is attacking, and retreating them into range of his starbase.
Hopeful some of this advice is useful, but again, the best way to beat warp in is to actually play games against people who want to show you how to beat it.
posted on April 27th, 2009, 3:03 am
posted on April 27th, 2009, 3:06 am
Good point Dircome
posted on April 27th, 2009, 4:07 am
posted on April 27th, 2009, 4:08 am
posted on April 27th, 2009, 9:00 am
thanks Dominus
posted on April 27th, 2009, 11:05 am
ray320 wrote:from my expirience at least when im feds, i will atack with warp in, only when i feel my base is safe in early game, what you really have to do is quickyl strike there base, so they dont feel safe, and keep warp in to protect it
i said that in my first post but now it officialy signed as legit
iv used that strick first tactic a few times, it forces them to either call the warp-in at there end or waste resources defending.
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