stargate caned?

posted on October 29th, 2011, 8:11 am

another big factor is that it started up just when as space syfy was on its way out.

posted on October 29th, 2011, 12:57 pm

I didnt enjoy it as much as the other stargate series such as SG1 or SGA but it was ok, just very very slow moving , in both sg1 and sga they quickly got into the action introducing new characters talking about them then sticking them up agaisnt a new enemy for you to see and exploror and showed them fighting together so you built an emotional connection to the charcters and their plight.

In SGU you had none of this not even really character introduction just a bunch of idiots arguing with each over and over, no enemy for a very very long time and even then you wernt sure if that was going to be the main enemy because they were so weak and un-intimidating. They were like blue asguard minus the tech so no threat really just kick em and they will break or pick them up by their little throats and chock them to death.

Then there was all this bible bashing and spiritual crap from most of the crew which drove me nuts.
I thought the series sucked tbh but i wanted it to be better and kept watching and praying they would turn it around but every time i watched it was crap. Had it been named anything else id have turned over but since it was stargate i had to see it because i knew if this got cancelled that would be the end of stargates and low and behold that is exactly what happened.

I wish they didn't end it like that tho at least bring the story to an end in some way not drifting off into space frozen in stasis with the fat kid wandering around.

posted on October 29th, 2011, 2:35 pm

its canned but nothing says for good all it needs is a channel to give the 3rd season a shot

that's seriously unlikely. the makers have taken down all the sets and are using the studios for other things. to restart sgu you would need to rebuild all the old sets and props. would probably be worse than starting a new show. plus the actors might have new projects they are involved in. i think the most likely continuation of stargate is more straight to dvd movies.

I wish they didn't end it like that tho at least bring the story to an end in some way not drifting off into space frozen in stasis with the fat kid wandering around.

that was syfy's fault unfortunately, they only gave the cancellation notice after all the filming was done. the makers couldnt change anything except post production. so maybe they changed the ending music/vfx a little to make it seem more final, but there was no way to change the story and finish it. well unless they went the cheap way and just put a text epilogue at the end summarising a conclusion, which is pretty bad. i'd rather they left it open than conclude it with a text explanation.

i really think syfy should have either cancelled them when they could change it, or given them the next season with an understanding it would be the last. but advert revenue talks to syfy, not fans wishes.

[Beef]

posted on October 29th, 2011, 8:25 pm

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...but advert revenue talks to syfy, not fans wishes.

Why not? Call me communist but im sick of letting fucking wallets decide what's worth continuing and what's not!

And there are millions of occupying places all over the planet who don't want cash running all the cogs on the wheel too, may be unrelated to the video industry, but at least they are starting to get the picture!

posted on October 29th, 2011, 8:33 pm

Why not? Call me communist but im sick of letting fucking wallets decide what's worth continuing and what's not!

how do you suggest the fans fight back? the only way to exert the force of every consumer is for every consumer to act together. that sort of organisation doesnt work. if we wanted to impact syfy we would need to remove money from them, the only way to do that is not to watch syfy channel. ie a boycott. i seriously doubt that will work.

[Atlantis]

posted on October 30th, 2011, 2:05 pm

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Exactly, it's all well and good saying "I'm sick of this", but there's not actually anything you can do about it.

To be fair, if it really was that good, they might make a one-off special to finish it, like they did with Farscape. But that was more an exception than a rule, so don't hold your breath. :-(

Also, an open end keeps things open for fanfics, etc. Heaven forbid we use our own imagination and make up the continuing story in our own head. Are we really that unimaginitive that we need to be spoon-fed "canon" story forever? A lot of people wait desperately to find out what happened next, and get really upset when things get cancelled... It's just unnecessary. This is the only way to really fight the "wallets"; don't rely so much on them.

FleetOps itself is a continuation of Star Trek's story, based on the imagination of a small group of people. I myself have my own set of worthless scrawlings detailing the history before, during (but elsewhere), and after Babylon 5, as well as an AR Battlestar Galactica universe/story. Why not just make up your own continuation for SGU? Doesn't even have to be public; just for your own enjoyment. It will help your own creativity as well.

posted on October 30th, 2011, 3:32 pm

Exactly, it's all well and good saying "I'm sick of this", but there's not actually anything you can do about it.

For starters, I haven't watched TV for over 2 years. I got a big screen monitor and that ad infested profit mongering mainstream media can go suck my ****!

You will say "let the viewer decide whats popular", hell if that were true then it would ok. But the problem is that its not true! If I owned a TV station and said the phony reality show Cardashians had 999999999999 viewers on camera then the people would go like "there must be something about that show" and go watch it!

So at the very end of things is that who knows wether the ratings info for stargate universe are real in the first place. Television is a profit generating institution that goes into cost cutting just like any other large corporation, and I tell you that phony reality shows are a lot cheaper than AGI rendered SCI-FI series.


To make a long story short: Television is the most slanderous dishonourable force on whole planet. About the resons of why they cancelled SGU - who know what shit did the peddle as the truth!

posted on October 30th, 2011, 3:43 pm

The thing that bothers me is, the baseline story is absolutely wonderful.  A group of people stuck on an ancient ship that they can't control, going somewhere nobody has ever seen before, with the ability to teleport them down to any planet the writers can think up to complete any objective the writers can justify.

But then the actual execution was terrible.  The only selfless act I remember from the entire show was the politician in the first episode (although I only watched to halfway through season 3).  All of the characters only cared about themselves and tried to get their way using the stupidest methods available.  Several characters like the old scientist and the civilian pride chick did nothing but repeatedly hurt the rest of the crew for the sake of their own egos.

The characters that were supposed to be negotiators had no charisma.  The characters that were supposed to have military discipline had no self-control.  The innocent ones were constantly trying to lose their innocence and the ones in charge had no idea how to lead.  You can tell the writers said, "Hey, wouldn't it be interesting if this character had this flaw?" and there was nobody there with common sense to stop them.

I hope we continue to see space Sci Fi shows, because honestly there are still a lot of ideas out there to be spun into stories.  Even if it starts to get repetitive after a while, there are still plenty of people who have never seen BSG, Star Trek, Bablyon 5, etc. who can appreciate a storyline that's technically a carbon copy of those shows.  A weak story and good execution is better than a great story done poorly, as history has repeatedly proven.

The money will follow the popularity, and the popularity will follow the quality of the show.  Yes it's not a perfect system but there's no better way for TV producers to know which shows will succeed than to look at how many people are watching it.  Maybe if they had an electoral college then shows that are extra popular in certain areas but not overall would have a better chance of continuing  

posted on October 30th, 2011, 3:53 pm

Beef, I don't see why you've quoted me there; how does your "solution" count as 'doing something about it'? How is that going to change the system?

As for the rest of your post... There's no poing getting that angry/ranting about it. You just have to accept that that's how things work. There's plenty of stuff to enjoy in life, so why focus on something so insignificant?

posted on October 30th, 2011, 9:16 pm

Beef, I don't see why you've quoted me there; how does your "solution" count as 'doing something about it'? How is that going to change the system?

As for the rest of your post... There's no poing getting that angry/ranting about it. You just have to accept that that's how things work.

No, I refuse to accept it as in "thats the way it works". Normality is no longer determined by the majority of the people but by those who have the biggest public reach. Product and entertainment popularity determined by the creators themselves:

- Lets cann SGU, the director wants a bigger sala... ehm the show doesn't have enough ratings!
- Lets all watch phony reality shows, its cheaper th... more apealing to the public!
- Nike sneakers are better than Puma. They pay us more for the advertising so they will be the fashion hype this month!


What you need to realize is that television is a profit generating institution that has the power shape human opinion and they use that power to determine what is fashionable, what tv shows are good to watch, which politician is more popular than the other with absolutely no regard for the truth! They will allways favour those who fill their pockets!

So if the Advanced Graphics Integration of SGU threatens the CEO's bonus that year, they will can it!

That's the discusting notion that im trying to make you be aware. And then you ask that how is this going to change the system, its as if you are waiting for some hero to tear it all down and paint it red, white and blue. Your refusal deny the system its power, claiming that you are powerless, is at the very heart of the matter.

Right now most people believe that. If that majority realizes that they can use their skulls for something other then thumping then the christian dark ages would have never happened.

posted on October 31st, 2011, 7:51 am

I don't believe this. Do you only sign in here to rant?

I'm getting really sick of your use of things like "I'm trying to make you aware" and "What you need to realize". I am aware. I do realise. I just don't actually care. So I don't need talking down to like a child, thank you very much.

Now, this is now the third time I'm asking this question, as you've quite blatantly ignored it so far:

What are you going to do about it?

It's all very well complaining about it, and saying "We should do this, we should do that" like some kind of self-proclaimed messiah, but unless you yourself are actively doing something to change the system, you are in no position to preach to anyone else.

My point was, that you can just accept it, because it doesn't matter. It's a TV show. Even the whole network is insignificant in the big picture; there are plenty more worthwhile things you can be doing than watching TV all day. If you did something more productive with your time you wouldn't get so angry about something so silly.

When I heard the new SG was cancelled, I thought "Oh... that's a shame", and moved on. It's much better for your health.

posted on October 31st, 2011, 12:34 pm

I can't believe this "news" has only just reached you guys the last episode aired in the spring and so did the news that there wouldn't be any more.

I actually enjoyed watching it, but because the scify channel kept messing with the schedule no bugger knew when it was on. Then the number of viewers dropped so it was cancelled.

There was talk of Atlantis and Universe films but the've been put on perminant hold due to finances as well. I believe another SG-1 or oringal Movie sequel is still on the cards though?

posted on November 1st, 2011, 12:52 am

I got the news. OP didn't apparently.

posted on November 1st, 2011, 7:31 am

There was talk of Atlantis and Universe films but the've been put on perminant hold due to finances as well. I believe another SG-1 or oringal Movie sequel is still on the cards though?

They are planning a stargate atlantis movie!

posted on November 1st, 2011, 3:34 pm

Yeah, but I think all the stargate movies are on hold.