the only thing that comes between, You and what you wont is

[godsvoice]

posted on September 14th, 2011, 11:54 pm

Last edited by godsvoice on September 15th, 2011, 1:21 am, edited 1 time in total.

Very true,, and just because you teach someone doesn't mean they will learn.  You have to be willing to learn otherwise giving you knowledge is pointless.  Teachers can give students all the knowledge in the world, but it is up to them to learn from it.

And it's not always a matter of willingness. most often the problem is getting to see things are possible

In my experience these two approaches are very useful for life. A willingness to realize possibilities, if you will. (and, for it to be really useful, the point is to be open and willing to possibilities that don't blatantly conform to your beliefs). If you limit your possibilities, and live within certain defined limits you literally shut down willingness.

For instance, let's take the limits given by science and evolution. Science has limitations (as it is used today, believe it or not, today's science is ... politely, dogmatic and biased). footnote, some, not all of science.  Evolution as a theory can be demonstrably argued as being from, erg, what's the word, not what darwin described, different from what it is normally considered to be when its taught, i.e. survival of the fittest etc. Not in the religious sense. In my view, most religious attempts to refute evolution are limited by dogma and such to begin with, so not so good. But there are perfectly sane ways of looking at evolution and saying that the theory is vastly incomplete. But the problem is that science and evolution are deeply connected. Science has become the new religion, in the sense of what it probably wanted to rid itself of when the two first came to heads.

Now, this is the 'information age', or so its been said. Common information of the day, is that science and evolution are pretty valid and universally agreed upon. I'll just say it, evolution and science are somewhat ... dim-witted at times? Granted, incredibly useful given the right context, but as an approach to living, i.e. as a guide to how to live your life... you are insane to be scientific, ( overly scientific in your life). Do you even know what that would mean? Seriously think about this. No one is scientific in their personal life. So be careful before you give yourself over to the sayings of science. But, respectively, science and technology can be used responsibly for our benefit as well.

So, if you've actually read my post, are you more or less willing to be open to the possibility that science isn't all that foolproof? if you are strict in your beliefs, and your beliefs are scientific, regardless of how succinctly I follow up with upcoming posts and show holes in science, because of your unwillingness to hear what I might have to say as being true.. you won't learn anything. And you won't experience the possibilities that come with science behaving within its proper role and context. In fact, as is my experience, people will waste a great deal of their time to argue with the conflicting idea that challenges their belief... science being slightly overused in our daily life, and just blindly argue why science is so great.

Now, that was just an example. In more cases than not, science and evolution aside, who cares, and getting back to being willing and open to new possibilities, i.e., allowing yourself to learn and grow, don't define yourself too rigidly, or you will become limited in your experiences.

I agree with these points that were brought up by zaxxon and ewm.

EDIT: So... to complete this a bit more, willingness and openness to new possibilities are important. But trust is also important. Whatever new possibilities are coming your way, not only is there a willingness that must be present to experience it and let it change you, but you also need to be able to trust that it will give you good things. Trust is needed in the combination. It can take time to trust. You need to discern what is worthy and what is not. Sometimes trust is earned, other times it is readily granted. So yeah, be trusting, willing and open to new possibilities. And as far as experience is concerned.. let these things change you for the better. If you are unwilling to change what's the point of seeking out NEW experiences. Why don't you just close yourself off, and do what you always do day in day out... then you don't have to be open to anything (except to what you already know). The whole point is that by being open, trusting, willining, and wanting these other possibilities... is that you WILL change because of them, ideally, in a better way that will make you a better person  for it.

lol DOUBLE EDIT: I think I put up a post a while ago about a book I'm writing, evil as not existing etc. So anyways, now that I'm thinking about this, I'm just going to keep editing this and all... because oddly enough, this closely coincides to some of the things I'll bring up in that. So, in the interest of writing down some thoughts, might as well keep going with this. Might even end up using some of this in there. And, obviously, hopefully some people find this helpful... believe it or not, I doubt authors write books for kicks, or to become popular. You put time into because you have something to say, a message to give, at least that's what I've always thought. It's either helpful for you or others or both.

soooo.... just thinking of some examples. Think of things that create strong reactions within you. For instance, going to the movies, or listening to your favourite band/singers latest greatest hit, something that excites you... why do you have POSITIVE relations with these things? I'm not going to go to deep into it, but obviously I think it would be agreed because you like the experience of how it changes you. For instance, what is it about that song you've listened to 589 times on iTunes? The artist? The lyrics? The tone? The song? The instruments? Is it that it compliments something else, i.e. you contrast it with another experience from your life, or it reminds you of this or that, it informs you about something a different point of view etc. It makes you feel good, you feel better after having listened to it. Is it all for one line right in the middle, and another at the end? There are so many songs that I love the beginning, and it just carries through the whole way, but if you took the beginning away its just not that great.

What movie genres do you watch? Comedy, drama, action, suspense, family, cartoons, mystery, documentaries etc? Why? If you react to it then its evidently changed you. For instance, picture you doing nothing in particular. You react to nothing, because nothing is happening, so you don't have to change because of anything, nothing is making you open yourself, or expand, or constrict and resist. You might see something like an earthquake news in a part of world and react BADLY, but it points you in a good direction... HELP!

Think about advice you get. Whose do you take, whose do you not? Is this post even relevant to you? Why? Who is Godsvoice? You don't know me, ... do you? I've never played online. I've posted a bunch of ideas and feature requests and in strategy... for the AI!!!! So how do I relate to you? Why are you still reading this.... lol this three pages long post! Don't you have something you could be doing.. else.. with your time?

I think about the common statement, a friend once told me... how so easily as soon as those words are said, I think about the person saying it, perhaps a friend or family member who I trust, and they are conveying something to me from a person who they also trust, so automatically I open to what I'm about to hear to let it change me. And sometimes its good advice and I like it, but the thing I find somewhat humorous is when I find the message a load of crap, and then I have this huge disappointed reaction, like you got this advise from a friend, and thought it was worth giving to me... really? why? and then I have to decide whether its worth correcting, or if I haven't thought about it enough, and perhaps missed the point. But anyways.

Back to some music. What are the lyrics like in your songs? Lots of swears? Rhymes? country? This is going to affect you. hopefully not to many swears. I'm currently listening to Flyleaf, Set Apart This Dream, probably one of my favourite songs. Voice, artist, lyrics, meaning, themes, everything just fits. I don't have a 'favourite favourite' band. But they would probably pretty close to it if I did, they have so many great songs. Funny thing, they're a Christian rock/alternative band. i don't really know. I try to learn as least about bands I like as I can. Find out about them what I can from their songs for the most part. Flyleaf is evidently christian from some of her/their songs, but I'm not. But still, certain values are universal and go beyond religious views.

You'll always need to brace for change in your life. Every moment is new, different, temporary and wonderful. But we don't react that way. You go to work monday morning, people don't say, did you see the sun rise? no They say, oh this is monday, it's the day after sunday, I HAVE to feel groggy cause thats how all people feel monday after the weekend. also, every morning, we feel tired and don't want to wake up. lol lol lol how ridiculous!!! what do you mean you don't want to wake up in the morning... you're tired sure, but of course you do!! because then your awake! and you can experience the world. you can do the things you love, be with the ones you love, what is it you are not wanting to wake up for?

bringing it back to the thread. we can all write posts for each other online, to help each other out. yea. but yeah, in general, i think its a universal sentiment everyone does want to help one another, the 'bad' people you hear about are probably much fewer than we think. still trying to create continued change for the better is always a good direction to go. lol probably best if i switch some of these thoughts over to a word document or something and not all on here pages and pages!! lol anyways, yeah.... post might finally be over. you're done!

posted on September 15th, 2011, 1:14 am

I am not arguing with your points man, but I"m not sure that has anything to do with the topic of what we can do to help the needy.

edit: and geez that is one long post.

[godsvoice]

posted on September 15th, 2011, 1:31 am

Last edited by godsvoice on September 15th, 2011, 1:41 am, edited 1 time in total.

Sure it does.



I just didn't literally connect it.

Why are there needy people?

We have governments. Organizations. Individuals. Everyone can help. So why don't they.

How do you live, where is your focus. Is it in the moment, or is it spread out for the next 50 years of your life.

Do you have a 5 year plan? If you do, and you plan to stick to it.. is this good?... you've kind of taken away some possibilities there eh? In fact... you've limited yourself to ONE, overall plan, at least. Can be good... can be bad. Depends how you balance it.

Religions of the world and many individuals have argued in Favour of helping the needy.

If people are GOING TO, they have to be open to that. They have to be willing and trust it's the right thing. It is the right possible action for which to choose. If you listen to media, and hear everyday, economic turmoil, America and Europe Economies are unstable and investors are scared... that affects your willingness to give others what you might need. If you are being told you should save save save, or this and that, you might limit yourself, and what you can give to others.

So, people don't take initiative or responsibilities. To some degree they do as well. So


EVERYONE. Let's be open, willing and trust in a possibility that allows and calls for a world, government and such that looks to free us of starving children, poverty and disease. There are trillions of dollars out there, endless resources, there has been enough food per year to feed the world for some time now. Lets shift our focus. You like sports? good, you so attached to it maybe that you aren't letting this other world come forth? Maybe we should focus more on world equality then a new cellphone.

See. That was easy. I connected it to the needy people of the world.

But, yes, you were right as well. It wasn't directly about it. But to everyone action there's a world of thought behind it. That building you walked by on the way to work... it didn't just appear there. Took financing, workers, planning, designs, time, etc etc etc... What helped to create it is all in the background. World needs a good backing in their mind set. How do you react, and do you approach life, what guide your actions. That has everything to do with everything you will ever do. And how we treat the world and its residents.

To be fair, the only reason i responded was because of the willingness word, and possibility word. And those two posts. They were good points. So.... I took it from there and what I thought. What you guys said there, and taking that into how we go about our daily experiences, whether we help those in need or not... yeah. I think it connects, even though it isn't really 100% orientated toward that single use, it still applies, doesn't it?

posted on September 15th, 2011, 1:35 am

UK - Is Aid Killing Africa? - Foreign Correspondent - ABC

[ewm90]

posted on September 15th, 2011, 4:35 pm

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Its very easy to blame this or that for the problem, but if you dig down its not relay this or that witch is the problem. 

If some one used a fly swatter to kill a fly, Do you blame the fly swatter? No.

If we blame religion for what people do its as misdirected.

Its easy to blame, much easier then taking responsibility for it. how we take responsibility 1st stop blaming 2ed own it as if we had caused it even if we had not 3 take action.

Sure it does.



I just didn't literally connect it.

Why are there needy people?

We have governments. Organizations. Individuals. Everyone can help. So why don't they.

How do you live, where is your focus. Is it in the moment, or is it spread out for the next 50 years of your life.

Do you have a 5 year plan? If you do, and you plan to stick to it.. is this good?... you've kind of taken away some possibilities there eh? In fact... you've limited yourself to ONE, overall plan, at least. Can be good... can be bad. Depends how you balance it.

Religions of the world and many individuals have argued in Favour of helping the needy.

If people are GOING TO, they have to be open to that. They have to be willing and trust it's the right thing. It is the right possible action for which to choose. If you listen to media, and hear everyday, economic turmoil, America and Europe Economies are unstable and investors are scared... that affects your willingness to give others what you might need. If you are being told you should save save save, or this and that, you might limit yourself, and what you can give to others.

So, people don't take initiative or responsibilities. To some degree they do as well. So


EVERYONE. Let's be open, willing and trust in a possibility that allows and calls for a world, government and such that looks to free us of starving children, poverty and disease. There are trillions of dollars out there, endless resources, there has been enough food per year to feed the world for some time now. Lets shift our focus. You like sports? good, you so attached to it maybe that you aren't letting this other world come forth? Maybe we should focus more on world equality then a new cellphone.

See. That was easy. I connected it to the needy people of the world.

But, yes, you were right as well. It wasn't directly about it. But to everyone action there's a world of thought behind it. That building you walked by on the way to work... it didn't just appear there. Took financing, workers, planning, designs, time, etc etc etc... What helped to create it is all in the background. World needs a good backing in their mind set. How do you react, and do you approach life, what guide your actions. That has everything to do with everything you will ever do. And how we treat the world and its residents.

To be fair, the only reason i responded was because of the willingness word, and possibility word. And those two posts. They were good points. So.... I took it from there and what I thought. What you guys said there, and taking that into how we go about our daily experiences, whether we help those in need or not... yeah. I think it connects, even though it isn't really 100% orientated toward that single use, it still applies, doesn't it?

UK - Is Aid Killing Africa? - Foreign Correspondent - ABC

Its not aid that killing Africa, its Lack of education opportunities and empowerment all of theses need to be in place for africans to take charge. I see Aid as helpful in most casses.

posted on September 16th, 2011, 1:48 am

It is lack of education opportunities which arise because corrupt governments are keeping themselves afloat by skimming aid money.

It is lack of education opportunities which arise because people are kept dependent on aid.

Foreign aid is probably the worst invention ever for the formerly colonized nations. Those nations and its people are kept in their infancy because of the aid.

You can lead a horse to the water, but you cannot force it to drink. There have been aid programs, education programs, emergency aid programs and more educational programs.

The horse has already been lead to the water and now it has to decide to drink.

posted on September 16th, 2011, 4:42 am

If it's just lack of education and opertinitys why do people put up with crupt leaders? Why don't they start a revolution?

A clear example is egypt. People got tired of there dictator and rose up, with out leadership there was nothing to replace it with.

Empowerment when you get down to it is more important then education and opertunity combined.

Einstein is a perfict example education failed him yet he still is regarded as the smartest man around by meny.

With education opertinity and empowerment it let's people become leaders with out EFECTIVE leadership we are moving forword on a treadmill.

It is lack of education opportunities which arise because corrupt governments are keeping themselves afloat by skimming aid money.

It is lack of education opportunities which arise because people are kept dependent on aid.

Foreign aid is probably the worst invention ever for the formerly colonized nations. Those nations and its people are kept in their infancy because of the aid.

You can lead a horse to the water, but you cannot force it to drink. There have been aid programs, education programs, emergency aid programs and more educational programs.

The horse has already been lead to the water and now it has to decide to drink.

posted on September 16th, 2011, 5:22 pm

I do not often offer an apology, but this time I will do that, as this may make no sense at all, or "you" will be offended by it.
Read it, or rather not, shoot me if you wish (you'll do the world a favor), or just laugh at it.

Without "bringing Order to Chaos" ...

Much is revealed of a man (yes that includes woman to) how he responds to a question.
A simple one would be you have a glass that is half full of water or is it half empty ?
Depending how you answer you tell the "recipient" a lot about your views, beliefs etc.
That is if you give a "straight" answer. As a human being you have the capability to avoid the answer. But let's not go into all the possible possibilities ...

Rather ask just one: what happens if the question is not asked ? No problem you create the situation where it has to be asked. And "you" know you can do that if "you" set your mind on it.

Confused yet ? Perhaps this will make more sense (or not):

Why do some people offer aid ?
Is it truly to offer help to others, to give to those whom are in "need", to "educate" the "masses", to offer "hope" and "salvation" ? Or is it to score points for the "afterlife" and/or to get that fuzzy feeling that you have done something good ?

Whom said those whom ask for aid really need it ? Or whom said they would accept it ? Nothing is given for free.
That which is called "free" has the highest price. (one particular example: the look in that persons eyes receiving the aid, as he/she looses more then a mere part of his/her dignity).

We tend to feed the "body" but neglect the "soul".
How and why do you think you can help someone whom "bleeds on the inside" ? And what gives you the right to mess things up even more ? Or is not possible to mess up ? Or is it in the "NAME OF" (democracy, GOD, science, scientology, bloodlust etc).
Did any of "you" consider that offering help you only prolong the misery of the other ? Specially if that help is "professional".

Sadly the shortest way to HELL is build of good intentions. (Yeah this one hurt the most).

- Still reading this ? -

One thing I always found difficult to "comprehend" is what happens to those whom do not have the possibility to "cry out" for help ? Those whom are "forbidden" (prevented, withheld, replace the word with what suits you right now), whom seeks them out ? "You" ? Should "you" ?

P.S: I'm not drunk, or under the influence of any narcotics, unless you count life as "THE NARCOTIC".

[godsvoice]

posted on September 16th, 2011, 6:51 pm

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Dexter, your argument that helping others is in reality a selfish act, in that you are looking to gain something yourself is entirely hollow. I can understand the point of making it, in some cases, as some who follow certain beliefs do not always genuinely act according to the principles on which they should. However, it is easy to demonstrate holes in your argument.

If helping others is a means to gain something for yourself, you completely ignore the possibility that some people actually do help and expect nothing in return, who actually do give things freely.

The only argument you need to give, are those who die to save the life of others, those who risk everything for very small things in comparison. If you counter this with the simple argument of, I disagree, in reality, Godsvoice, even when people give their lives, it's really for a better afterlife, as you say, it is a quite shallow view and not even worth time to address. Like you said, the way a person asks, answers, and deals with problems and questions says a lot about them. Is glass half empty or half full? Maybe its neither. But if you are going to describe human acts of generosity as the shortest ways to hell, what does that say about yourself? and how you view things?

Take for example countless stories that can be told by survivors who were rescued. In world wars, men would jump on grenades to save the lives of their fellow soldiers. Some died. Other came out with missing limbs. Some just got the missing limbs without any heroic act, and were just a result of attacks. But still, do you really want to go the route of arguing that those who jump on top of grenades to save others are having the mental thoughts in that very moment of choosing to give up their lives, quite possibly, because maybe MAYBE they might get into heaven? Does this sound ilke a reasonable argument? Or a half-assed attempt to make people who genuinely give from their hearts look tainted and self-righteous?

As for giving aid, there is only partial correctness in the argument that by giving aid to someone in need, you prolong the man's suffering by keeping him in a position that requires him to ask for help. While it may be to some extent the case, that by providing aid or giving help, you may in fact hinder a person's ability to do something themselves... so what? There is also social responsibility. Just because one person isn't taking responsibility for their life, or is in a very difficult position with a life hard lived, it doesn't glorify anyone to say that all people should refrain from helping because of the lack of responsibility of others. You have the choice to take responsibility and help. You can choose to either make those acts or not, but don't try to belittle those who might actually be trying to make a difference int he world and the life of others for the better.

As you pointed out yourself, and as I already said, you show more about yourself than you might think. And if your first reaction to every act of kindness is that there was no real good intention, or that those false good intentions are a way to ... hell? seriously? really? What is that you expect others to see in you?

The worst part, is that when arguments like this are given, and people who read it are insecure or just caught up in bad times and actually lose faith because an idea is given that shrouds the world in a dark light,  and actually causes people to become more bitter and apathetic. But don't expect it to win you anything. It doesn't make you look smart by painting a bad picture of the world and trying to cloak others in your own blind sightedness.

Acts of true generosity are noble. Don't think that humans are incapable of such things. You only limit yourself, and show yourself in a poor light.

Edit: There's no need to apologize. I share in the view that the way we consider ideas says a lot about us. And it does seem like you are concerned for those who are need, if in fact helping them prolongs their suffering... but I would say that there are other views that might help you more in these considerations.

[ewm90]

posted on September 16th, 2011, 10:36 pm

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Further more Dexter,

Theres nothing wrong with feeling good ore geting some thing for helping a other. All that matter is that your helping a other.

Evidence is abundant. If I was looking to sail a ship around the world I could find evidence that I the world is flat and I have evidence the the world is round. At the end of the day the only way I will find out is when I sail the ship.

Evidence is a tool you wont to look at what your using it for. In this case it sounds like you using evidence to justify not doing what it takes to make a difference.

at the end of the day the only thing that matters is stopping stuff like this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLV9szEu9Ag&feature=player_embedded#![/youtube]

Dexter, your argument that helping others is in reality a selfish act, in that you are looking to gain something yourself is entirely hollow. I can understand the point of making it, in some cases, as some who follow certain beliefs do not always genuinely act according to the principles on which they should. However, it is easy to demonstrate holes in your argument.

If helping others is a means to gain something for yourself, you completely ignore the possibility that some people actually do help and expect nothing in return, who actually do give things freely.

The only argument you need to give, are those who die to save the life of others, those who risk everything for very small things in comparison. If you counter this with the simple argument of, I disagree, in reality, Godsvoice, even when people give their lives, it's really for a better afterlife, as you say, it is a quite shallow view and not even worth time to address. Like you said, the way a person asks, answers, and deals with problems and questions says a lot about them. Is glass half empty or half full? Maybe its neither. But if you are going to describe human acts of generosity as the shortest ways to hell, what does that say about yourself? and how you view things?

Take for example countless stories that can be told by survivors who were rescued. In world wars, men would jump on grenades to save the lives of their fellow soldiers. Some died. Other came out with missing limbs. Some just got the missing limbs without any heroic act, and were just a result of attacks. But still, do you really want to go the route of arguing that those who jump on top of grenades to save others are having the mental thoughts in that very moment of choosing to give up their lives, quite possibly, because maybe MAYBE they might get into heaven? Does this sound ilke a reasonable argument? Or a half-assed attempt to make people who genuinely give from their hearts look tainted and self-righteous?

As for giving aid, there is only partial correctness in the argument that by giving aid to someone in need, you prolong the man's suffering by keeping him in a position that requires him to ask for help. While it may be to some extent the case, that by providing aid or giving help, you may in fact hinder a person's ability to do something themselves... so what? There is also social responsibility. Just because one person isn't taking responsibility for their life, or is in a very difficult position with a life hard lived, it doesn't glorify anyone to say that all people should refrain from helping because of the lack of responsibility of others. You have the choice to take responsibility and help. You can choose to either make those acts or not, but don't try to belittle those who might actually be trying to make a difference int he world and the life of others for the better.

As you pointed out yourself, and as I already said, you show more about yourself than you might think. And if your first reaction to every act of kindness is that there was no real good intention, or that those false good intentions are a way to ... hell? seriously? really? What is that you expect others to see in you?

The worst part, is that when arguments like this are given, and people who read it are insecure or just caught up in bad times and actually lose faith because an idea is given that shrouds the world in a dark light,  and actually causes people to become more bitter and apathetic. But don't expect it to win you anything. It doesn't make you look smart by painting a bad picture of the world and trying to cloak others in your own blind sightedness.

Acts of true generosity are noble. Don't think that humans are incapable of such things. You only limit yourself, and show yourself in a poor light.

Edit: There's no need to apologize. I share in the view that the way we consider ideas says a lot about us. And it does seem like you are concerned for those who are need, if in fact helping them prolongs their suffering... but I would say that there are other views that might help you more in these considerations.

posted on September 16th, 2011, 11:17 pm

Random 'help' vids you say ?

posted on September 17th, 2011, 3:17 am

Dexter, as for your more serious and valid concern of what to do with those who are not in a position, unable, inhibited or never ask for help... it is a rather tough question.

For instance, some are in a country whose government might be quite oppressive. Restricting freedoms and worse.

A little closer to home though, many might be homeless, hungry, poor, or in some other form of need, perhaps forgotten. Natural disasters leave the media after several months, and only look back on the anniversary, or if something pops up i.e. two years was this hurricane, or earthquake. So we sometimes lose focus on that.

I agree with you though, it is hard to determine what course to take. Ultimately, we can only do what we can to whatever extent. It would be ideal if we had a system where we could help everyone, but for the meantime, it is a matter of doing what you can, and living within your means.

The main response that I find may help with this is to go beyond yourself, and what you think you 'alone' can do. It is too daunting a task to look at the world and all that happens and try to solve everything individually. I believe it might be a Jewish belief, or somewhere that I heard the idea of helping yourself, then helping your family, your friends, your neighbourhood/community/city, nation, other nation, world. Ie, how can you help other nations, when your own nation is in trouble, or your families have problems you must tend to. So, balance what you can do within your community, and if you can balance this, try finding groups where you can beyond this with the help of others. Taking on such responsibility yourself would be fairly difficult. Also, there are departments within governments that look to help other nations, these are present within most governments. There is a global system in place for assistance and aid, despite what imperfections it may have.

We can do much more collectively than we can individually. Perhaps get involved with a volunteer program, charity if you believe in it, or other avenues.

posted on September 17th, 2011, 2:39 pm

world. Ie, how can you help other nations, when your own nation is in trouble,

Grate question,

What grate misconception out there is: when I have my shit to gather I will make a difference. The problem is people almost never have there live to gather in there life time.

I promises when Gondi get move India to independence he did not have his life to gather. 

Just do it!

Dexter, as for your more serious and valid concern of what to do with those who are not in a position, unable, inhibited or never ask for help... it is a rather tough question.

For instance, some are in a country whose government might be quite oppressive. Restricting freedoms and worse.

A little closer to home though, many might be homeless, hungry, poor, or in some other form of need, perhaps forgotten. Natural disasters leave the media after several months, and only look back on the anniversary, or if something pops up i.e. two years was this hurricane, or earthquake. So we sometimes lose focus on that.

I agree with you though, it is hard to determine what course to take. Ultimately, we can only do what we can to whatever extent. It would be ideal if we had a system where we could help everyone, but for the meantime, it is a matter of doing what you can, and living within your means.

The main response that I find may help with this is to go beyond yourself, and what you think you 'alone' can do. It is too daunting a task to look at the world and all that happens and try to solve everything individually. I believe it might be a Jewish belief, or somewhere that I heard the idea of helping yourself, then helping your family, your friends, your neighbourhood/community/city, nation, other nation, world. Ie, how can you help other nations, when your own nation is in trouble, or your families have problems you must tend to. So, balance what you can do within your community, and if you can balance this, try finding groups where you can beyond this with the help of others. Taking on such responsibility yourself would be fairly difficult. Also, there are departments within governments that look to help other nations, these are present within most governments. There is a global system in place for assistance and aid, despite what imperfections it may have.

We can do much more collectively than we can individually. Perhaps get involved with a volunteer program, charity if you believe in it, or other avenues.

posted on September 19th, 2011, 6:37 pm

Grate question,

What grate misconception out there is: when I have my shit to gather I will make a difference. The problem is people almost never have there live to gather in there life time.

I promises when Gondi get move India to independence he did not have his life to gather. 

Just do it!

hmm. Well, I'm not sure what I was trying to say translates with the same meaning as when i have my shit together, I will make a difference.

As for people and how they perceive their life... that would actually play a pretty big role in getting them to help others. I'm hesitant here because we're getting into such a subjective quarrel, I might be just completely off base... but oh well.

I'm not sure how useful bringing ghandi into this is. Take his upbringing, I'm fairly certain he was born into a well off family, and although I don't I remember him being an exceptional student, he did end up going to university. No denying what the man did, but not all people will share in what he experienced, or share the same background that allowed him to go on to do what he did.

Simple example, you say gandhi was able to do great things with India, so you don't have to wait for your life to be in perfect order. For all I know his life wasn't in perfect order.

But I still think my statement has a fair bit of validity. Right after the next hurricane comes around and leaves some Americans, Japanese, or some other countries citizens devastated try giving them the advice to just do it, and lend a end, make a big difference. While it is still a good hearted thing to try and do, and some will probably be heroes during those trying times, many many of them will be trying to look after themselves, and their family and friends, and community, and rightly so. Telling these people that the perils of some other nation is their problem and to do something about it... might be slightly off base.

In general, taking care of yourself, family friends and community doesn't dictate that you can't do something greater for province, state, nation, or other nation, it is just a guideline...

But in the sense I was more intending it, is that if you actually do have problems, personally or within immediate family or close by friends and neighbours. This can take precedence. I'm picturing some female role figure like a mother, or helping sister, or interested aunt who is always giving everything for her family, cousins, children, and never takes some time off to do something for herself. She gets overly stressed, sick quite often and so forth.

What I was saying wasn't an excuse to escape helping others, it was a way to balance how you live your life, and how you can help others, not to do it at the expense of some things.

[ewm90]

posted on September 19th, 2011, 7:15 pm

Last edited by ewm90 on September 19th, 2011, 7:35 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Your right,

hmm. Well, I'm not sure what I was trying to say translates with the same meaning as when i have my shit together, I will make a difference.

I look at have my response be what makes the bigest difference to all that read this post. In these case I tried to taler my response so much to some thing I thought that would make a huge difference I lost sight of the comment I was responding to.

The point I was making all though it may have bean out of place its still valide and applicable to ware most people are.

But in the sense I was more intending it, is that if you actually do have problems, personally or within immediate family or close by friends and neighbors. This can take precedence. I'm picturing some female role figure like a mother, or helping sister, or interested aunt who is always giving everything for her family, cousins, children, and never takes some time off to do something for herself. She gets overly stressed, sick quite often and so forth.

A house with out a fondation will not have integrity and will suffer big problems over time and a person how try's to help others with out helping his friends/family will have big problems over time. Though some one hows gaol is just to help his family with out aiming for making some thing bigger will only impact his community in a small way. A person how aims for helping his family/friends a pathway to some hing bigger will impact allot more then his target because of ware his/her fouce is.

What I hear is integrity: For you family in this case

or helping sister

rally having honest, being hole and complet with how you are in your family.



You got to be playing at 100% or your not in integrity. Dose playing at 100% mean you will always reach 100%... No. what you play for matters. Just be responsible for when your not, and clean up all the consequences you can.

Integrity is not morality.

integrity dose not care how you feel or what you think it like gravity always applying a outcome to every action. 

Morality is basted off excepted belief systems that can change from time to time.

YOU MUST HAVE A HIGH LEAVE Of INTEGRITY to create a HUGE SHIFT in the world. 

So if your family and friends are not taken care of your kidding your self if you think you can take care of people.

hmm. Well, I'm not sure what I was trying to say translates with the same meaning as when i have my shit together, I will make a difference.

As for people and how they perceive their life... that would actually play a pretty big role in getting them to help others. I'm hesitant here because we're getting into such a subjective quarrel, I might be just completely off base... but oh well.

I'm not sure how useful bringing ghandi into this is. Take his upbringing, I'm fairly certain he was born into a well off family, and although I don't I remember him being an exceptional student, he did end up going to university. No denying what the man did, but not all people will share in what he experienced, or share the same background that allowed him to go on to do what he did.

Simple example, you say gandhi was able to do great things with India, so you don't have to wait for your life to be in perfect order. For all I know his life wasn't in perfect order.

But I still think my statement has a fair bit of validity. Right after the next hurricane comes around and leaves some Americans, Japanese, or some other countries citizens devastated try giving them the advice to just do it, and lend a end, make a big difference. While it is still a good hearted thing to try and do, and some will probably be heroes during those trying times, many many of them will be trying to look after themselves, and their family and friends, and community, and rightly so. Telling these people that the perils of some other nation is their problem and to do something about it... might be slightly off base.

In general, taking care of yourself, family friends and community doesn't dictate that you can't do something greater for province, state, nation, or other nation, it is just a guideline...

But in the sense I was more intending it, is that if you actually do have problems, personally or within immediate family or close by friends and neighbours. This can take precedence. I'm picturing some female role figure like a mother, or helping sister, or interested aunt who is always giving everything for her family, cousins, children, and never takes some time off to do something for herself. She gets overly stressed, sick quite often and so forth.

What I was saying wasn't an excuse to escape helping others, it was a way to balance how you live your life, and how you can help others, not to do it at the expense of some things.