The truth believed is a lie
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posted on November 24th, 2011, 7:32 pm
Last edited by ewm90 on November 24th, 2011, 8:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.
[size=150][align=center]“The truth of a theory is in your mind, not in your eyes.”
~ Albert Einstein[/align]
If there was no truth as fixed/unmovable, what dose not openen up?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTav0D3YIN4&feature=feedf[/youtube]
It all comes down to looking at the world in the same way science dose through theory, it is this way until proven otherwise. In science you never find facts or truth that are fixed so why should you?
Choose is such a powerful way to live.
Choosing with no (evidence truth/fact) makes people extraordinary. In fact if you think you are choosing if there is evidence, fact or even resign your not choosing. Choosing is choosing what is there to do, only you know what that is. choosing can not be expanded when you get it you get it!
I can say this if you are choosing between 2 or more options your likely not choosing and you may. Choosing is not something that needs to be figured out or understood, all there is, to do is to choose.
A song about choosing:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rKDShRdJ3d4#![/youtube]
~ Albert Einstein[/align]
If there was no truth as fixed/unmovable, what dose not openen up?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTav0D3YIN4&feature=feedf[/youtube]
It all comes down to looking at the world in the same way science dose through theory, it is this way until proven otherwise. In science you never find facts or truth that are fixed so why should you?
Choose is such a powerful way to live.
Choosing with no (evidence truth/fact) makes people extraordinary. In fact if you think you are choosing if there is evidence, fact or even resign your not choosing. Choosing is choosing what is there to do, only you know what that is. choosing can not be expanded when you get it you get it!
I can say this if you are choosing between 2 or more options your likely not choosing and you may. Choosing is not something that needs to be figured out or understood, all there is, to do is to choose.
A song about choosing:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rKDShRdJ3d4#![/youtube]
posted on November 24th, 2011, 8:30 pm
Might want to edit the caps. 
posted on November 24th, 2011, 8:35 pm
Fixed, thanks. :-)
posted on November 24th, 2011, 9:33 pm
Yes, but why exactly parkour?
One of the greatest secrets in the world is about choice. Choose your way of life! Choose wether your cup is half empty or half full!
One of the greatest secrets in the world is about choice. Choose your way of life! Choose wether your cup is half empty or half full!
posted on November 24th, 2011, 10:03 pm
Last edited by ewm90 on November 24th, 2011, 10:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Parour is just that guys expression of chose, don't get hung up on the content you miss the message. 
If you think picking between if a cup is half full or half empty is choosing, you still have not got it keep looking.
If this case your not, your confusing optimistiom with choosing. Optimistiom is tried with Hope and attempting feeling good. Choosing is decisive, intentional and it dose not all ways feel goog at the time of choosing though it offen dose end up with people feeling good.
If you think picking between if a cup is half full or half empty is choosing, you still have not got it keep looking.
Remember if your choosing between 2 chose your likely not choosing and you may
If this case your not, your confusing optimistiom with choosing. Optimistiom is tried with Hope and attempting feeling good. Choosing is decisive, intentional and it dose not all ways feel goog at the time of choosing though it offen dose end up with people feeling good.
Beef wrote:Yes, but why exactly parkour?
One of the greatest secrets in the world is about choice. Choose your way of life! Choose wether your cup is half empty or half full!
posted on November 25th, 2011, 4:57 am
The simplest and most powerful ideas get rediscovered over and over again, it's the pattern of history. I wouldn't go as far as saying "the truth believed is a lie" though.
People need to be shaken out of their complacency sometimes, and that parkour guy understands it completely. However, the three videos aren't related to each other as closely as you seem to think. And just because you're trying to convey a deep concept of choice doesn't mean it's okay to condemn simple choices as inferior.
Here's another concept: communication. How to help others to understand something you think is important. The three videos all target specific audiences, while your thread does not.
People need to be shaken out of their complacency sometimes, and that parkour guy understands it completely. However, the three videos aren't related to each other as closely as you seem to think. And just because you're trying to convey a deep concept of choice doesn't mean it's okay to condemn simple choices as inferior.
Here's another concept: communication. How to help others to understand something you think is important. The three videos all target specific audiences, while your thread does not.
posted on November 25th, 2011, 6:35 pm
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They are the content between the clips is they all have possibility and they all are about choosing some thing.
definition in the dictionary.
The number of possibilities for choosing are relay more then one.
I dont dont know where you got that I think other definitions are inferior, I apologies if thats the way it seemed to you. What I out to create is opportunities for people to have assess to ways of thinking that produce results they may not be able to other wise. That all I am up to.
I think what maybe missing is what is a possibility. Here is a clip of some one creating a possibility.
a Possibility is some thing some one creates that is not inline with the predictable and it is in direct correlation with what one is inspired and or moved by. Possibility exists at the moment is spoken in to existence and can die as quick if some one dose not CHOSE to keep it alive.
A possibility is when one has a idea then that person makes a declaration to have it. The way to keep possibility alive is to tell others of what you created and take action to creating it. all of this requires choosing to have the possibility become real.
As far as the concern about The truth believed is a lie, well when you go done the path way of truth what you come out with is limitations. because things become fixed unmovable this is not what is in line with creating a world that works for every one. Can you see by looking at the world we have now how rigged and fixed it is in the way we have it now.
Examples:
Legal system failure: U.S. Civil Court System Needs Major Overhaul, New Book Declares
- YouTube
financial system failure: Stiglitz - the failure of economics 2
- YouTube
Health care failure: Health Care Fails US Workers, 3rd World Clinic Alternative
- YouTube
And the list go's on and on, the only thing we are doing about it is blaming other for a problem that could be fixed easy if we as a people just created a potability and we call "chose" to do it. The problems could be solved quickly efficiently and with out drama. its not a political problem it is a problem of people not choosing it.
I promise politics are the problem right now. that will not be the solution in the short term. all of this comes out of the TRUTH and not willing to see there is more then one TRUTH out there. so when I say " The truth believed is a lie " i stand by it!
definition in the dictionary.
1. to select from a number of possibilities; pick by preference: She chose Sunday for her departure.
The number of possibilities for choosing are relay more then one.
choose [chooz] Show IPA verb, chose; cho·sen or ( Obsolete ) chose; choos·ing.
verb (used with object)
1. to select from a number of possibilities; pick by preference: She chose Sunday for her departure.
2. to prefer or decide (to do something): He chose to run for election.
3. to want; desire.
4. (especially in children's games) to contend with (an opponent) to decide, as by odd or even, who will do something: I'll choose you to see who gets to bat first.
I dont dont know where you got that I think other definitions are inferior, I apologies if thats the way it seemed to you. What I out to create is opportunities for people to have assess to ways of thinking that produce results they may not be able to other wise. That all I am up to.
I think what maybe missing is what is a possibility. Here is a clip of some one creating a possibility.
a Possibility is some thing some one creates that is not inline with the predictable and it is in direct correlation with what one is inspired and or moved by. Possibility exists at the moment is spoken in to existence and can die as quick if some one dose not CHOSE to keep it alive.
A possibility is when one has a idea then that person makes a declaration to have it. The way to keep possibility alive is to tell others of what you created and take action to creating it. all of this requires choosing to have the possibility become real.
As far as the concern about The truth believed is a lie, well when you go done the path way of truth what you come out with is limitations. because things become fixed unmovable this is not what is in line with creating a world that works for every one. Can you see by looking at the world we have now how rigged and fixed it is in the way we have it now.
Examples:
Legal system failure: U.S. Civil Court System Needs Major Overhaul, New Book Declares
- YouTube
financial system failure: Stiglitz - the failure of economics 2
- YouTube
Health care failure: Health Care Fails US Workers, 3rd World Clinic Alternative
- YouTube
And the list go's on and on, the only thing we are doing about it is blaming other for a problem that could be fixed easy if we as a people just created a potability and we call "chose" to do it. The problems could be solved quickly efficiently and with out drama. its not a political problem it is a problem of people not choosing it.
I promise politics are the problem right now. that will not be the solution in the short term. all of this comes out of the TRUTH and not willing to see there is more then one TRUTH out there. so when I say " The truth believed is a lie " i stand by it!
Tryptic wrote:The simplest and most powerful ideas get rediscovered over and over again, it's the pattern of history. I wouldn't go as far as saying "the truth believed is a lie" though.
People need to be shaken out of their complacency sometimes, and that parkour guy understands it completely. However, the three videos aren't related to each other as closely as you seem to think. And just because you're trying to convey a deep concept of choice doesn't mean it's okay to condemn simple choices as inferior.
Here's another concept: communication. How to help others to understand something you think is important. The three videos all target specific audiences, while your thread does not.
posted on November 25th, 2011, 7:40 pm
The problem is that theory is being called science. 
posted on November 25th, 2011, 7:51 pm
Utopia wrote:The problem is that theory is being called science.
I don't understand please say more.
posted on November 25th, 2011, 8:17 pm
It's very true that people need to have ambition and not allow themselves to be limited in their perception.
That said, the collapse of society has nothing to do with narrow-mindedness. All those things you're pointing to are caused by a failure of morality. Yes, in theory "the problems could be solved quickly and efficiently without drama" but that will never happen in real life no matter how many people choose to imagine it.
It's easy to get a bunch of people to have ideas about the future.
It's very, very hard to get them to agree and compromise and unite behind a single plan. That's not the realm of choice or creativity, it's the realm of ethics and morality. To choose to do something that does not benefit yourself personally but instead helps out your fellow man.
The number of possibilities for choosing are more than one. So a choice between the glass being half full or half empty counts. That's all I wanted to convey about that part of your message; you seemed like you weren't ready to accept any real-world application of "choice," only theoretical ideals.
That said, the collapse of society has nothing to do with narrow-mindedness. All those things you're pointing to are caused by a failure of morality. Yes, in theory "the problems could be solved quickly and efficiently without drama" but that will never happen in real life no matter how many people choose to imagine it.
It's easy to get a bunch of people to have ideas about the future.
It's very, very hard to get them to agree and compromise and unite behind a single plan. That's not the realm of choice or creativity, it's the realm of ethics and morality. To choose to do something that does not benefit yourself personally but instead helps out your fellow man.
The number of possibilities for choosing are more than one. So a choice between the glass being half full or half empty counts. That's all I wanted to convey about that part of your message; you seemed like you weren't ready to accept any real-world application of "choice," only theoretical ideals.
posted on November 25th, 2011, 8:34 pm
Well, you don't have to believe in truth if it's true. 2 + 2 = 4
posted on November 25th, 2011, 9:05 pm
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And I get "real life" is a unmovable truth for you.
What there is to get is the real life dose not exists.people spend there hole life waiting for life to start only to end up dyeing with out living the life they wont.
How knows if people will ever in brace choosing, at a level that will shift the fiber of what we know to be true, what we can say with a good deal of confidence is if we dont we can say its will not happen. In the video of the man how declared him self to be a Olympic athlete at 40, he may never do it but I can tell you his life will be amassing and the people around him will be infected with power and ambition. That a life worth living for shear!
In south Africa it was done successfully by a man how was imprisoned and then be came president under tuffer and more divisive times.
Well, you don't have to believe in truth if it's true. 2 + 2 = 4
Well lets look at how we see this. Convention says that the symbol 2 equals 1, 1,. But if we look at that equation how to say you can not add it this way:
2 + 2 = 4
2=1
+=1
2=1
Total.
=3
2 being one symbol.
+ being one symbol
and agin 2 being one symbol.
Or we could see it as, 2 + 2 = 4
two 2s =4 plus one + = 5
What there is to get is the real life dose not exists.people spend there hole life waiting for life to start only to end up dyeing with out living the life they wont.
How knows if people will ever in brace choosing, at a level that will shift the fiber of what we know to be true, what we can say with a good deal of confidence is if we dont we can say its will not happen. In the video of the man how declared him self to be a Olympic athlete at 40, he may never do it but I can tell you his life will be amassing and the people around him will be infected with power and ambition. That a life worth living for shear!
then stop trying to get people to be inspired by some thing they need to be able to experience it for them selves. This can be done by moveing, inspiring people and giving them a example that shows them its posable.It's very, very hard to get them to agree and compromise and unite behind a single plan.
In south Africa it was done successfully by a man how was imprisoned and then be came president under tuffer and more divisive times.
Tryptic wrote:It's very true that people need to have ambition and not allow themselves to be limited in their perception.
That said, the collapse of society has nothing to do with narrow-mindedness. All those things you're pointing to are caused by a failure of morality. Yes, in theory "the problems could be solved quickly and efficiently without drama" but that will never happen in real life no matter how many people choose to imagine it.
It's easy to get a bunch of people to have ideas about the future.
It's very, very hard to get them to agree and compromise and unite behind a single plan. That's not the realm of choice or creativity, it's the realm of ethics and morality. To choose to do something that does not benefit yourself personally but instead helps out your fellow man.
The number of possibilities for choosing are more than one. So a choice between the glass being half full or half empty counts. That's all I wanted to convey about that part of your message; you seemed like you weren't ready to accept any real-world application of "choice," only theoretical ideals.
Well, you don't have to believe in truth if it's true. 2 + 2 = 4
Well lets look at how we see this. Convention says that the symbol 2 equals 1, 1,. But if we look at that equation how to say you can not add it this way:
2 + 2 = 4
2=1
+=1
2=1
Total.
=3
2 being one symbol.
+ being one symbol
and agin 2 being one symbol.
Or we could see it as, 2 + 2 = 4
two 2s =4 plus one + = 5
posted on November 25th, 2011, 10:29 pm
I haven't watched the vids, but I'm not sure if its me, or in the translation, but I'm not sure what you're saying exactly.
The truth believed is a lie ... . And your replacing this with 'Choose'? Choice? As in Free Will?
There is no truth, or the truth is the truth of Free Will?
Furthermore, you are going into semiotics with 2 + 2 = 4 where 2 is a symbol that represents whatever. Isn't a bad way to go. But in any abstract theory, you need a way to connect it with life. Ie, application of theories to real world.
As to failures of particular systems... it becomes vague, you have to make sure you know what is being addressed. Is it that the truth believed is a lie, or that we aren't properly applying truth in certain circumstances?
Examples of a few people making great strides, i.e., a 40 year old man trying to win at the olympics doesn't translate to overall proof that this is case and point for every person. It doesn't mean current systems are necessarily broken. Government is far from perfect... ok, that's for granted. We've looking for a philosophies and political understandings that work for millennia. I don't know exactly how anything you say solves this.
Take my country of Canada and Global Warming. We have the tar sands, and we have fisheries out east. There is over fishing all over the world to sustain the human population. Tar sands adds to CO2 emissions. So, there is a demand for oil, there is a demand for fish, and there is a demand for jobs. Do we tell them to quit there jobs and move?
What I think you're looking for is balance. Balanced free will, free will might be the means, but it doesn't solve things in itself. You still have a huge task of applying it. Even if this 40 year old man has free will to choose to pursue his dreams, I don't see what you are getting at.
Can't really comment further, I'm not sure where this is going.
Are we saying there is no truth to be believed? Then the truth would just be that there is no truth. You can't escape absolutes, even if the absolutes result in the absolute of relative truths. If the truth you are offering is free will... there is already a huge support for that. Take all these occupy wall streets, and such in U.S. and Canada, this is people exercising free will with no aim, and recently they've all been evicted.
From whats been described, I don't see anything as wrong in what your saying... I only observe it might be a little incomplete in the thought process.
Perhaps the vids would have helped, but I have a missing plug in apparently.
The truth believed is a lie ... . And your replacing this with 'Choose'? Choice? As in Free Will?
There is no truth, or the truth is the truth of Free Will?
Furthermore, you are going into semiotics with 2 + 2 = 4 where 2 is a symbol that represents whatever. Isn't a bad way to go. But in any abstract theory, you need a way to connect it with life. Ie, application of theories to real world.
As to failures of particular systems... it becomes vague, you have to make sure you know what is being addressed. Is it that the truth believed is a lie, or that we aren't properly applying truth in certain circumstances?
Examples of a few people making great strides, i.e., a 40 year old man trying to win at the olympics doesn't translate to overall proof that this is case and point for every person. It doesn't mean current systems are necessarily broken. Government is far from perfect... ok, that's for granted. We've looking for a philosophies and political understandings that work for millennia. I don't know exactly how anything you say solves this.
Take my country of Canada and Global Warming. We have the tar sands, and we have fisheries out east. There is over fishing all over the world to sustain the human population. Tar sands adds to CO2 emissions. So, there is a demand for oil, there is a demand for fish, and there is a demand for jobs. Do we tell them to quit there jobs and move?
What I think you're looking for is balance. Balanced free will, free will might be the means, but it doesn't solve things in itself. You still have a huge task of applying it. Even if this 40 year old man has free will to choose to pursue his dreams, I don't see what you are getting at.
Can't really comment further, I'm not sure where this is going.
Are we saying there is no truth to be believed? Then the truth would just be that there is no truth. You can't escape absolutes, even if the absolutes result in the absolute of relative truths. If the truth you are offering is free will... there is already a huge support for that. Take all these occupy wall streets, and such in U.S. and Canada, this is people exercising free will with no aim, and recently they've all been evicted.
From whats been described, I don't see anything as wrong in what your saying... I only observe it might be a little incomplete in the thought process.
Perhaps the vids would have helped, but I have a missing plug in apparently.
posted on November 25th, 2011, 11:46 pm
I haven't watched the vids, but I'm not sure if its me, or in the translation, but I'm not sure what you're saying exactly.
There are different concepts I am trying to create.
1. Braking up the concept of truth being fixed.
2. the concept of chose.
3. Effective Leadership
4. Reality is a creation.
5. Possibility as a now thing VS a some day maybe thing.
I find you need to create them to gather, I may not be doing a grate job at it I am doing my best. a perfect example on you tube is not easy.
The truth believed is a lie ... . And your replacing this with 'Choose'? Choice? As in Free Will?
Yes (chose), free will is part of it but it is about how you use free will. And (truth) with out geting truth is out a fixed thing your really dont have asses to total free will.
Furthermore, you are going into semiotics with 2 + 2 = 4 where 2 is a symbol that represents whatever. Isn't a bad way to go. But in any abstract theory, you need a way to connect it with life. Ie, application of theories to real world.
People do it all the time: here is a man using these concepts pulse a few other to make big things happen.
Most people how do big things and shift the world need some kind of grasp of these concepts.
As to failures of particular systems... it becomes vague, you have to make sure you know what is being addressed. Is it that the truth believed is a lie, or that we aren't properly applying truth in certain circumstances?
are political system is a representation of the people it represents the political system is working well in design.
Is it that the truth believed is a lie, or that we aren't properly applying truth in certain circumstances?
In all circumstances, if you cant see some thing being disproven and or you cant see that every thing isa concept of human creation there is truth there for you.
Examples of a few people making great strides, i.e., a 40 year old man trying to win at the olympics doesn't translate to overall proof that this is case and point for every person. It doesn't mean current systems are necessarily broken. Government is far from perfect... ok, that's for granted. We've looking for a philosophies and political understandings that work for millennia. I don't know exactly how anything you say solves this.
It can (unless mentally disabled in some way that prevents learning), because they are concept, every one can learn theses concepts, meny people fight theses idea and dont wont to have them because they are invested in a truth they wont to protect a cretin life stile and justify it by being a victim. Some people need to face suffering or have other face suffering be for they take action in there live. Sad but this is what I have found. At the end of the day every one is capable of learning this stuff.
Take my country of Canada and Global Warming. We have the tar sands, and we have fisheries out east. There is over fishing all over the world to sustain the human population. Tar sands adds to CO2 emissions. So, there is a demand for oil, there is a demand for fish, and there is a demand for jobs. Do we tell them to quit there jobs and move?
Well here you have it that you have to lose one to have an other.
Well lets say you got innovative, and built windfarms next to the US boarder and sell electricity to the US insed of oil. of some thing els but when you limit your self to two only a few options you trap your self in truth. (tar sands job creation is way over exaggerated.)
What I think you're looking for is balance. Balanced free will, free will might be the means, but it doesn't solve things in itself. You still have a huge task of applying it. Even if this 40 year old man has free will to choose to pursue his dreams, I don't see what you are getting at.
What I was trying to create is the concept of possibility, one can do any thing one ones out of a delration to others and action.
This is how innovation happens. this is how the impassable becomes posable.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33tmKcZ3TlQ&feature=share[/youtube]
Are we saying there is no truth to be believed? Then the truth would just be that there is no truth. You can't escape absolutes, even if the absolutes result in the absolute of relative truths. If the truth you are offering is free will... there is already a huge support for that. Take all these occupy wall streets, and such in U.S. and Canada, this is people exercising free will with no aim, and recently they've all been evicted.
I have bean positing on there website get your asses organized. They are resisting leadership sadly they could be much bigger then they are.
godsvoice wrote:I haven't watched the vids, but I'm not sure if its me, or in the translation, but I'm not sure what you're saying exactly.
The truth believed is a lie ... . And your replacing this with 'Choose'? Choice? As in Free Will?
There is no truth, or the truth is the truth of Free Will?
Furthermore, you are going into semiotics with 2 + 2 = 4 where 2 is a symbol that represents whatever. Isn't a bad way to go. But in any abstract theory, you need a way to connect it with life. Ie, application of theories to real world.
As to failures of particular systems... it becomes vague, you have to make sure you know what is being addressed. Is it that the truth believed is a lie, or that we aren't properly applying truth in certain circumstances?
Examples of a few people making great strides, i.e., a 40 year old man trying to win at the olympics doesn't translate to overall proof that this is case and point for every person. It doesn't mean current systems are necessarily broken. Government is far from perfect... ok, that's for granted. We've looking for a philosophies and political understandings that work for millennia. I don't know exactly how anything you say solves this.
Take my country of Canada and Global Warming. We have the tar sands, and we have fisheries out east. There is over fishing all over the world to sustain the human population. Tar sands adds to CO2 emissions. So, there is a demand for oil, there is a demand for fish, and there is a demand for jobs. Do we tell them to quit there jobs and move?
What I think you're looking for is balance. Balanced free will, free will might be the means, but it doesn't solve things in itself. You still have a huge task of applying it. Even if this 40 year old man has free will to choose to pursue his dreams, I don't see what you are getting at.
Can't really comment further, I'm not sure where this is going.
Are we saying there is no truth to be believed? Then the truth would just be that there is no truth. You can't escape absolutes, even if the absolutes result in the absolute of relative truths. If the truth you are offering is free will... there is already a huge support for that. Take all these occupy wall streets, and such in U.S. and Canada, this is people exercising free will with no aim, and recently they've all been evicted.
From whats been described, I don't see anything as wrong in what your saying... I only observe it might be a little incomplete in the thought process.
Perhaps the vids would have helped, but I have a missing plug in apparently.
posted on November 26th, 2011, 12:34 am
Hm. Um. Not sure if that helped or not.
My example could have been better. You say go into wind, wind kills birds. It makes the landscape look less beautiful. Wind can only work where there is wind... i.e. places where winds are worth building those wind turbines. Cost. Jobs... how many people does it take to build and maintain them, is the job sustainable. etc (again, its all in balancing the application of truth, it is very very easy to just say there are other possibilities, of course! everyone believes that. It's making those possibilities work, so that they work for everyone. That is not easy)
There is nothing wrong with saying free will is avenue to greater potential.
I think the only thing that kind of rubs off the wrong way, is that you are assuming everyone has a mindset that doesn't work this way. Lots of people aren't that disconnected from what you are describing. Just taking simply population and facts of geography though, there is a very great diversity to human life, and human circumstance. This isn't an excuse, you are right, anyone can just decide to be a leader one day. However, there would still be gradations and differences. One person will become more of a leader than another person. You will still have people on the bottom. Unless you describe a system for getting rid of that. Right now, what I think is being described is a little abstract. I'm not sure what there is for people to sink their teeth into here and work with. But you sort of set it up like no one thinks of this, free will and potential is something everyone works with.
Truth would be in some way fixed. Let's just take what you are describing. If this is the version of truth you are telling, i.e. concept of chose, effective leadership, reality is creation, then that is a new truth to live by. Believing in those things becomes a new fixed reality. Even if you say 'no no no, this isn't truth, it is just an idea' In some way, truth has to be given an account, and that account would be fixed. It then becomes a matter of our understanding of truth. That might always have means to go deeper and deeper. Truth itself won't change. Regardless of our perception. The way we understand and use it as such, might. Truth is when you build a bomb and set it off it will go boom. But the truth as such doesn't say much. Even if we know that to be true, how do you apply it? Do you use bombs for making dams, or taking down old buildings, or do you use them to kill people. Truth is fixed, but not in its application necessarily. lol and it depends what we are taking as truth... truth of life, truth of human culture etc.
I'm still thinking the same thing as before. I don't see what there is to comment on. Your 1. 2. 3. 4, and 5. are not exactly new concepts... lots of people believe in them. I would agree they're more or less good one's. But don't put people off by suggesting this is something they aren't doing. These are basics. If you know anything about the occupy movement its a pretty good example. They're movement fits in to what your saying fairly well, but they have no suggestion on how to change wall street or government... so how do people work with that? Without specifics, the abstract details of the 1-5 still get used, just to varying degree.
My example could have been better. You say go into wind, wind kills birds. It makes the landscape look less beautiful. Wind can only work where there is wind... i.e. places where winds are worth building those wind turbines. Cost. Jobs... how many people does it take to build and maintain them, is the job sustainable. etc (again, its all in balancing the application of truth, it is very very easy to just say there are other possibilities, of course! everyone believes that. It's making those possibilities work, so that they work for everyone. That is not easy)
There is nothing wrong with saying free will is avenue to greater potential.
I think the only thing that kind of rubs off the wrong way, is that you are assuming everyone has a mindset that doesn't work this way. Lots of people aren't that disconnected from what you are describing. Just taking simply population and facts of geography though, there is a very great diversity to human life, and human circumstance. This isn't an excuse, you are right, anyone can just decide to be a leader one day. However, there would still be gradations and differences. One person will become more of a leader than another person. You will still have people on the bottom. Unless you describe a system for getting rid of that. Right now, what I think is being described is a little abstract. I'm not sure what there is for people to sink their teeth into here and work with. But you sort of set it up like no one thinks of this, free will and potential is something everyone works with.
Truth would be in some way fixed. Let's just take what you are describing. If this is the version of truth you are telling, i.e. concept of chose, effective leadership, reality is creation, then that is a new truth to live by. Believing in those things becomes a new fixed reality. Even if you say 'no no no, this isn't truth, it is just an idea' In some way, truth has to be given an account, and that account would be fixed. It then becomes a matter of our understanding of truth. That might always have means to go deeper and deeper. Truth itself won't change. Regardless of our perception. The way we understand and use it as such, might. Truth is when you build a bomb and set it off it will go boom. But the truth as such doesn't say much. Even if we know that to be true, how do you apply it? Do you use bombs for making dams, or taking down old buildings, or do you use them to kill people. Truth is fixed, but not in its application necessarily. lol and it depends what we are taking as truth... truth of life, truth of human culture etc.
I'm still thinking the same thing as before. I don't see what there is to comment on. Your 1. 2. 3. 4, and 5. are not exactly new concepts... lots of people believe in them. I would agree they're more or less good one's. But don't put people off by suggesting this is something they aren't doing. These are basics. If you know anything about the occupy movement its a pretty good example. They're movement fits in to what your saying fairly well, but they have no suggestion on how to change wall street or government... so how do people work with that? Without specifics, the abstract details of the 1-5 still get used, just to varying degree.
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