USS Midway Question

[Optec]

posted on September 26th, 2011, 11:30 pm

Last edited by Optec on September 27th, 2011, 10:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.

K_Merse released a hige list on A2 Files many moons ago. SO if this is all for the new regestry system, I would look here for a huge list of names, some even for current FO ships like the Galaxy, Centaur, Nova Refit and so on.

As for mine:

• USS Midway NX-87973
  USS Leyte Gulf
  USS Legacy

I have to say that is a nice name of ships.

I was just wondering if your usage of "NX" means the first of the class. To use your example, the first of the Midway-class? If it is, I like the use of canon.

I do it too with my ODF files if I see a ship has a name with its class I give it the NX prefix and come up with a number identification for the ship.

[Optec]

posted on September 27th, 2011, 7:31 am

Last edited by Optec on September 27th, 2011, 10:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I have to say that is a nice name of ships.

I was just wondering if your usage of "NX" means the first of the class. To use your example, the first of the Midway-class? If it is, I like the use of canon.

I do it too with my ODF files if I see a ship has a name with its class I give it the NX prefix and come up with a number identification for the ship.

Yes the Midway is the pathfinder of the class, and the main ship in my fan fiction I write when the inspiration and mood arises. It's based loosely off the RPG by the same name. The Legacy is Syf's ship and the Leyte Gulf is the second Midway class. Basically all Midway Class ships are named after a battle or ship from WW2, Battle of Midway, Battle of Leyte Gulf, Battle of Okinawa etc.

[Optec]

posted on September 27th, 2011, 8:21 pm

Last edited by Optec on September 27th, 2011, 10:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Yes the Midway is the pathfinder of the class, and the main ship in my fan fiction I write when the inspiration and mood arises. It's based loosely off the RPG by the same name. The Legacy is Syf's ship and the Leyte Gulf is the second Midway class. Basically all Midway Class ships are named after a battle or ship from WW2, Battle of Midway, Battle of Leyte Gulf, Battle of Okinawa etc.

Cool I like your idea to name ships after battles, I actually like WWII, and also the Enterprise episode with WWII too.

By any chance, what does the USS Midway NX-87973 look like?

I didn't know that you write fan fiction. Right now I have been taking a break from revising my Star Trek novel.

posted on September 28th, 2011, 2:17 am

By any chance, what does the USS Midway NX-87973 look like?

I didn't know that you write fan fiction. Right now I have been taking a break from revising my Star Trek novel.

I write fan fiction albeit very sparsely due to writer block being a almost full time thing for me.

It's set in very late 2380's, early 2390's and the Breen War has been occuring for a number of years now. This concept was done years before Star Trek 11 and the Books and so Romulus is still there, no Borg Invasion, no Typhoon Group and so on. 

The Midway is basically a super carrier, makes the Avalon in Fleet Ops look like a Shuttlecraft. It's a protptype for experimental technology including a functional slipstream drive as it was designed from the group up to use it, but with the limited Federation technology it can only get about 50% of the drive's potential, previous designs could only get like 15%, including Voyagers attempt to use it in the Delta Quadrant. Like in the Books the Midway has Tranphasic Torpedoes but they are only to be used against the Borg and as such not used in the War. The armour tech from End Game is also incorporated into the design. The Midway was designed as a flag-ship and as such can be considered a god ship by many. However as with all prototypes, things do go wrong, it was rushed into service, has an inexperienced Captain and a young crew due to the lack of experienced officers thanks to the war.

It has a nice compliment of experimental fighters, an experimental runabout and a few shuttles. Oh she also can house and maintain two escort class vessels (Defiant and Valiant class). It's part of her role as a flag-ship/mobile starbase. Although in the series she has only one, which also doesn't have warp-drive due to ejecting it in a battle before the Midway arrives.

My wife wants me to do more on the series as she enjoyed reading the draft, I just haven't had the motivation to do any more on it for like over 2 years now.   

posted on September 28th, 2011, 2:45 am

I write fan fiction albeit very sparsely due to writer block being a almost full time thing for me.

It's set in very late 2380's, early 2390's and the Breen War has been occuring for a number of years now. This concept was done years before Star Trek 11 and the Books and so Romulus is still there, no Borg Invasion, no Typhoon Group and so on.   

The Midway is basically a super carrier, makes the Avalon in Fleet Ops look like a Shuttlecraft. It's a protptype for experimental technology including a functional slipstream drive as it was designed from the group up to use it, but with the limited Federation technology it can only get about 50% of the drive's potential, previous designs could only get like 15%, including Voyagers attempt to use it in the Delta Quadrant. Like in the Books the Midway has Tranphasic Torpedoes but they are only to be used against the Borg and as such not used in the War. The armour tech from End Game is also incorporated into the design. The Midway was designed as a flag-ship and as such can be considered a god ship by many. However as with all prototypes, things do go wrong, it was rushed into service, has an inexperienced Captain and a young crew due to the lack of experienced officers thanks to the war.

It has a nice compliment of experimental fighters, an experimental runabout and a few shuttles. Oh she also can house and maintain two escort class vessels (Defiant and Valiant class). It's part of her role as a flag-ship/mobile starbase. Although in the series she has only one, which also doesn't have warp-drive due to ejecting it in a battle before the Midway arrives.

My wife wants me to do more on the series as she enjoyed reading the draft, I just haven't had the motivation to do any more on it for like over 2 years now.   

Sounds very interesting. I wish I could see a picture of what the ship looks like, maybe I'll google it later.

Thanks though, you reminded me of something, I still need to get one shp, but  Iforgot what class it is, the USS Aventine is part of it from Star Trek Destiny.

posted on September 28th, 2011, 3:14 am

I have to say that is a nice name of ships.

I was just wondering if your usage of "NX" means the first of the class. To use your example, the first of the Midway-class? If it is, I like the use of canon.

I do it too with my ODF files if I see a ship has a name with its class I give it the NX prefix and come up with a number identification for the ship.

NX only means that it is experimental, or testing experimental systems. Once it goes into full production, it becomes fully commissioned and replaces the NX (Naval Experimental) with NCC (Naval Construction Contract).

posted on September 28th, 2011, 3:32 am

NX only means that it is experimental, or testing experimental systems. Once it goes into full production, it becomes fully commissioned and replaces the NX (Naval Experimental) with NCC (Naval Construction Contract).

I already knew that, actually I knew that way back during the movies with the USS Excelsior NX-2000.
I also replid to Majestic's post asking if it was the first of the class, that is what the Pre-fix NX stands for. You can easily find it at Memory Alpha, the site for canon related Star Trek information. All ships first of a class have it, Defiant did and her replacement when she was destroyed was renamed Defiant but her registry got the NCC (or for production reasons, it might have stayed NX).

I happen to know my Star Trek terminology, you didn't need to say. I am not trying to get you mad, you just posted something I have known since I was younger.

posted on September 28th, 2011, 4:01 am

I also replid to Majestic's post asking if it was the first of the class, that is what the Pre-fix NX stands for.

Once again, it only means that the vessel is experimental, not first of it's class, while Im sure almost all of the vessels with that prefix WOULD be the first of their class, it is not a prerequisite for that designation.

[jetnova16]

posted on September 28th, 2011, 4:11 am

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Once again, it only means that the vessel is experimental, not first of it's class, while Im sure almost all of the vessels with that prefix WOULD be the first of their class, it is not a prerequisite for that designation.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but as I have stated before, I have did my research for writing my Star Trek novel. I also asked about it to a few Star Trek authors before checking at Memory Alpha, the NX designation is given to starships that are first of their class. I have read it, I have gotten it right from authors and I have also heard it right on the shows, especially DS9 and Voyager with the Prometheus.

You are partially right though because some are used to be experimental vessels. They test the technologies that will be included into the later versions of their class.

The NX Prefix is the Name Sake of the first ship of every class.

Can you site proof that this is not the case? Or is it your opinion, I am quoting the series in general, Memory Alpha, the Official Star Trek site and even authors. After all a good author of either Fan Fiction or even a novel usually goes and gathers all of the facts first.

Additions:
Watch this video, Clearly listen to the speech by Ben Sisco. "Officially she's classified as an Escort vessel, unofficially the Defiant is a warship nothing more nothing less... Five years ago Starfleet began exploring the possibility of building a new class of starship. This ship would have no families, no Science Labs, no luxeries of any kind, she was designed for one purpose and one purpose only, to fight and defeat the Borg. The Defiant was a proto-type, the first ship in what would have been a new Federation Battle Fleet." The Defiant's registry is and we all know that she is the first ship of the Defiant-class, USS Defiant NX-74205.

posted on September 28th, 2011, 4:35 am

Sorry to burst your bubble, but as I have stated before, I have did my research for writing my Star Trek novel. I also asked about it to a few Star Trek authors before checking at Memory Alpha, the NX designation is given to starships that are first of their class. I have read it, I have gotten it right from authors and I have also heard it right on the shows, especially DS9 and Voyager with the Prometheus.

You are partially right though because some are used to be experimental vessels. They test the technologies that will be included into the later versions of their class.

The NX Prefix is the Name Sake of the first ship of every class.

Can you site proof that this is not the case? Or is it your opinion, I am quoting the series in general, Memory Alpha, the Official Star Trek site and even authors. After all a good author of either Fan Fiction or even a novel usually goes and gathers all of the facts first.

The NX Designation is also heavily based on the experimental aircraft registries from real life, IE: the YF-22 Raptor became the F-22 Raptor once it went out of testing and into general production.
Experimental aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of experimental aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Your arguement is further eroded by the fact that the NX prefix is REMOVED from ships after a period of time, IE: the Excelsior had the proper NCC designation once it ceased to be an experimental testbed and just one of a class in full production.

As for your alleged 'research' ? Ok I'll use some of your listed sources.
NX - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki

After the founding of the United Federation of Planets in 2161, this prefix was used for experimental and prototype starship designs.

Experimental AND prototype. As I stated above, the first vessel of a class is the prototype, so it would by deffinition always get the NX designator (unless two prototypes were built at once, in which case both would) until the vessel were to be declared fully space worthy.

posted on September 28th, 2011, 4:43 am

Wow......

Well just a few things to consider.....

1.  Enterprise and Columbia both had NX prefixes NX-01 and NX-02 respectively

2.  The excelsior was Nx-2000 and then changed to Ncc

So i would tend to believe, (based on enterprise) that nx is more-so for experimental due to the nx-02 having the nx prefix yet being of the same class as nx-01, furthermore, beyond that piece of information, what would need to be found is a first ship of a class that doesnt have the nx prefix, as i would assume most first of their class ships would be somewhat experimental and I would assume that perhaps their would be more nx's out there that only produced one ship, a prototype and did not have a class that followed.

Take #2 for example the nx-2000 excelsior was a experimental ship testing out transwarp drive, it was then changed to ncc-2000 the head of the excelsior class, albeit without the experimental transwarp drive

We also see this with the U.S.S. Galaxy USS Galaxy - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki and
Constellation http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Con ... _(NCC-1974) where their prefixs would change afterwards, so i would therefore conclude that Nx stands for experimental, as a testbed, and then is sometimes changed when a full class is to follow

Also look at the oberth USS Oberth - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki, and intrepid http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Intrepid_(NCC-74600) no NX prefix, so as far as being for the first of their class, i would say no, experimental yes...

posted on September 28th, 2011, 4:51 am

Wow......

Well just a few things to consider.....

1.  Enterprise and Columbia both had NX prefixes NX-01 and NX-02 respectively

NX was the ship type in that case, plus it was the earth starfleet under the UESPA, not the Federation Starfleet, registries change.

2.  The excelsior was Nx-2000 and then changed to Ncc

So i would tend to believe, (based on enterprise) that nx is more-so for experimental due to the nx-02 having the nx prefix yet being of the same class as nx-01, furthermore, beyond that piece of information, what would need to be found is a first ship of a class that doesnt have the nx prefix, as i would assume most first of their class ships would be somewhat experimental and I would assume that perhaps their would be more nx's out there that only produced one ship, a prototype and did not have a class that followed.

Well I'd imagine that with the big ships, if they get produced it's because they plan to mass produce the ship unless the prototype shows some unforseen massive flaw... and even then only if it can't be fixed.

I'd imagine that of the prototype set of ships, most are shuttles and runabouts and other small ships.

Take #2 for example the nx-2000 excelsior was a experimental ship testing out transwarp drive, it was then changed to ncc-2000 the head of the excelsior class, albeit without the experimental transwarp drive

Indeed, I suspect that the Excelcior had the NX designator far longer than it would have, due to the simple fact that it was a testbed.

We also see this with the U.S.S. Galaxy USS Galaxy - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki and
Constellation http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Con ... _(NCC-1974) where their prefixs would change afterwards, so i would therefore conclude that Nx stands for experimental, as a testbed, and then is sometimes changed when a full class is to follow

Awww, I was hoping he'd raise the USS Galaxy issue so I could link to that :p .




But yeah as Ray has also pointed out, you're doing the equivelent of calling a square a rectangle.

All rectangles are squares, but not all squares are rectangles.

All first of their class ships are experimental at first, but not all experimental ships are first of their class.

Be it a ship class that had multiple ships built as prototypes, thus multiple NX- designations, to a ship that had been gutted to test an experimental refit.

posted on September 28th, 2011, 6:04 am

But yeah as Ray has also pointed out, you're doing the equivelent of calling a square a rectangle.

All rectangles are squares, but not all squares are rectangles.

I would like to additionally point out that both squares and rectangles are polygons, but not all polygons are rectangles and squares.  In fact some polygons are either rectangles or  squares, but most interestingly some polygons are not squares or rectangles in any fashion.

posted on September 28th, 2011, 8:00 am

Touche, good sir.

posted on September 28th, 2011, 9:45 am

But yeah as Ray has also pointed out, you're doing the equivelent of calling a square a rectangle.

All rectangles are squares, but not all squares are rectangles.

Also, it is perhaps more the case that all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares >.<
Actually, it is probably safer to just classify both as a subset of quadrilateral.