Adding New Ships
posted on June 21st, 2010, 12:29 pm
posted on June 21st, 2010, 2:47 pm
Hey mate. I'm a fan of yours, and its a pleasure to have you here. 
Anyway, the most differences come in the improvements of the weapon coding, but there are some differences in ship coding aswell.
Those are basically the biggest of the changes. they look really messy, but thats because the editor notes are gone, and the files contain everything. You may also notice that there can be up to 12 different odfs for each ship. this is because each ship has 6 ranks, the last being the veterain rank, and two versions for each avatar. these two versions will varry slightly based on special abilitys you decide that avatar should grant them.
The other big changes, as I said are the weapons, but they arn't hard to figure out. Recently, most weapons chanced over toe unitorpedo class label so they can use sod's and have explosion impact effects. There are also, alot of special weapons that use the replace weapons, and triggers which can be hard to follow, but I doubt you will have trouble with them.
If you need more help, just ask. I"m always ready to help with modding FO.
Anyway, the most differences come in the improvements of the weapon coding, but there are some differences in ship coding aswell.
- First of all, ship files contain all the lines necessary to work. the FO team as basically done away with the #include line. They use the basename line more often
- Second of all, the new ranking up feature requires a few lines which tell how much experience points you need to rank up, what rank you are, how much you are worth, and what your next rank is. these lines are easy to find. they are usually near the top
- You will also notice the recent addition of the weaponicon lables. these, along with some other references, tell where the weapon icons are located on the system background
Those are basically the biggest of the changes. they look really messy, but thats because the editor notes are gone, and the files contain everything. You may also notice that there can be up to 12 different odfs for each ship. this is because each ship has 6 ranks, the last being the veterain rank, and two versions for each avatar. these two versions will varry slightly based on special abilitys you decide that avatar should grant them.
The other big changes, as I said are the weapons, but they arn't hard to figure out. Recently, most weapons chanced over toe unitorpedo class label so they can use sod's and have explosion impact effects. There are also, alot of special weapons that use the replace weapons, and triggers which can be hard to follow, but I doubt you will have trouble with them.
If you need more help, just ask. I"m always ready to help with modding FO.
posted on June 21st, 2010, 4:35 pm
Last edited by Dominus_Noctis on June 21st, 2010, 9:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Hey mate, glad to see you here from AII files 
To add on to what Zaxxon said, I believe that if you want to import ships and glows into FO you'll want to follow the instructions laid out by Tyler in post 7 of this topic. There will be a link there to special sprite files from a Miranda that so far worked for everybody to port in those A2 ships . Not sure if it still needed however 
If you want other modding advice/answers, talking to The Undying Nephalim, Tyler - and of course the devs - will always do wonders too
(obviously Zaxxon is willing to help 
)
To add on to what Zaxxon said, I believe that if you want to import ships and glows into FO you'll want to follow the instructions laid out by Tyler in post 7 of this topic. There will be a link there to special sprite files from a Miranda that so far worked for everybody to port in those A2 ships
. Not sure if it still needed however If you want other modding advice/answers, talking to The Undying Nephalim, Tyler - and of course the devs - will always do wonders too
(obviously Zaxxon is willing to help )posted on June 21st, 2010, 4:52 pm
Last edited by Anonymous on June 21st, 2010, 4:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
oops. 
Completely forgot about the glows. 
Yeah, they are just lights. you can use ones in the game, you just need to edit or add hardpoints to the ship. or you could do what Blade did for me and make an invisible SOD with the right hardpoints and use the overlaySod line to add it on top of the ship.
//Edit: oh, and you don't need to add the sprite from my Miranda mod. the devs were kind enough to add all the needed sprites in a seperate file just for us modders
Completely forgot about the glows. Yeah, they are just lights. you can use ones in the game, you just need to edit or add hardpoints to the ship. or you could do what Blade did for me and make an invisible SOD with the right hardpoints and use the overlaySod line to add it on top of the ship.
//Edit: oh, and you don't need to add the sprite from my Miranda mod. the devs were kind enough to add all the needed sprites in a seperate file just for us modders
posted on June 21st, 2010, 8:54 pm
posted on June 21st, 2010, 11:34 pm
Hey guys! 'preciate the warm welcome, I didn't think anyone here would recognize me I will of course definitely use these posts as my guidelines as it will take me time to get up to speed(studying them now)I really love the weapons effects, one of the highlights for this mod(IMHO)so I'll definitely stick with them and yes I think I'll just clone existing ODF files to use for my new imports but Adm. Zaxxon this file your referring to, where can I grab one?
I found the sprite entries(thanks RYDERSTORM, that search option did save me time looking through all these lines )but there are four, which ones do I use?
I imported several SOD from the fleet ops mod just to get an idea how their set up and allot of them use Warpglowspriteblue6, some use a combination of Warpglowspriteblue6 and Warpglowspriteblue6A. Some don't even use Warpglowspriteblue6A(just allot of Warpglowspriteblue6)can anyone please shed some light on this? Why some ships use a variety of these sprites lines while some only use one kind?
Of course I can just dive right in and start experimenting with these diffrent sprites but I'd appreciate an explanation as to why ships are set up this way to give weight into considering using a verietyof A's and B's as well as the conventional Warpglowspriteblue6 in the new imports.
I will of course definitely use these posts as my guidelines as it will take me time to get up to speed(studying them now)I really love the weapons effects, one of the highlights for this mod(IMHO)so I'll definitely stick with them and yes I think I'll just clone existing ODF files to use for my new imports but Adm. Zaxxon this file your referring to, where can I grab one?Adm. Zaxxon wrote:..the devs were kind enough to add all the needed sprites in a seperate file just for us modders....
I found the sprite entries(thanks RYDERSTORM, that search option did save me time looking through all these lines
)but there are four, which ones do I use?I imported several SOD from the fleet ops mod just to get an idea how their set up and allot of them use Warpglowspriteblue6, some use a combination of Warpglowspriteblue6 and Warpglowspriteblue6A. Some don't even use Warpglowspriteblue6A(just allot of Warpglowspriteblue6)can anyone please shed some light on this? Why some ships use a variety of these sprites lines while some only use one kind?
Of course I can just dive right in and start experimenting with these diffrent sprites but I'd appreciate an explanation as to why ships are set up this way to give weight into considering using a verietyof A's and B's as well as the conventional Warpglowspriteblue6 in the new imports.
posted on June 22nd, 2010, 1:08 am
Last edited by RYDERSTORM on June 22nd, 2010, 1:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
posted on June 22nd, 2010, 1:26 am
dEjavU wrote: Adm. Zaxxon this file your referring to, where can I grab one?
It should be included in the current FO install. Its called fleetops_comp.spr. No extra modding should be required to get the models to work since they added it in.
posted on June 22nd, 2010, 4:24 am
Last edited by dEjavU on June 22nd, 2010, 5:50 am, edited 1 time in total.
Yup found it and that's good to hear Adm. Zaxxon, thanks a bunch
Okay I think I pretty much got this sprite thing down, it seems so complicated looking at it from a begginers point of view. Now I see their just glows from which you can move around on the mesh model, different sizes mind you but their a derivitive of light nodes on typical a2 SOD joint structures(ones that have them anyways)RYDERSTORM a million thanks for clearifying that bit of frustration I had with the sprite lines. Maybe later on down the road I'll mess around too with my own sprite lines but for now(as you mentioned)I'll go ahead and simply rename or add the glow nodes to each ships' joint heirarchy.
Okay I think I pretty much got this sprite thing down, it seems so complicated looking at it from a begginers point of view. Now I see their just glows from which you can move around on the mesh model, different sizes mind you but their a derivitive of light nodes on typical a2 SOD joint structures(ones that have them anyways)RYDERSTORM a million thanks for clearifying that bit of frustration I had with the sprite lines. Maybe later on down the road I'll mess around too with my own sprite lines but for now(as you mentioned)I'll go ahead and simply rename or add the glow nodes to each ships' joint heirarchy.
posted on June 22nd, 2010, 5:40 am
for a list of new FO codes look at my Wiki page (link found on Dominus's Guide) but bare in mind its nowere near finished (really do need to work on it more oops 
)
)posted on June 22nd, 2010, 8:13 am
Blade wrote:for a list of new FO codes look at my Wiki page (link found on Dominus's Guide) but bare in mind its nowere near finished (really do need to work on it more oops
Okay Blade I can't find this, where is it at again? Also, I had to open up the FO sovereign SOD and delete all the mesh and materials and save only the joint structure into a ms3d file, then later merging it with the Excalibur mesh only because my milkshape is preventing me from naming all the newly added glow nodes the same(Warpglowspriteblue6)only to be rewarded by finding myself facing another problem....
..I don't even know what I'm looking at here or what could have been done to cause this. In the SOD's material setting I started out using this !lambert_XXX_!alpha and when I found that didn't work I switched to this !phong_XXX_!opaque, still no joy. Does anyone know why this is coming out like this or what can be done to avoid it?
posted on June 22nd, 2010, 8:29 am
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