Excelsior Class Refit

posted on February 9th, 2013, 10:16 pm

Here's the bit from my copy of the novel (transcribed by hand, so I may have some typos):

"Docksey. Approximate distance from planets or other structures?" The young lieutenant seemed to have recovered from her moment of disconcertment; she replied smoothly, "One half parsec to the nearest starbase, sir. No planets within a five-parsec radius." Sulu nodded approvingly. "Stand by to take us to maximum warp, Mr. Docksey. I want at least two parsecs between us and the secondary hull when she goes. Mr. Lojur--initiate separation procedure." "Initiating." "Mr. Valtane--" Valtane, who had hurried to his station the instant the red alert began, turned to reply, his restlessness replaced by the same intense anticipation shared by those on the bridge.
"--time left before detonation?" Sulu finished.
"Two minutes, six seconds, Captain." Sulu nodded, satisfied, and waited, silently counting the seconds until at last Lojur called, "Separation procedure complete, Captain."

Looks like saucer separation talk to me.

posted on February 9th, 2013, 10:42 pm

@Tyler & Sulfur: Here is a major piece of information that you two along with the one who did that search obviously clearly overlooked but I choose not to! I at least took the smart course of action to check to see if it was any type of special version that the one I have and guess what it is! Plus that version also raises more questions as well, just continue reading...

That posting on the Talk Section for Saucer Separation is false, I can't get a picture of the cover, but that ISN'T the correct novelization for Star Trek Generations, that is a Special Collection Edition of the book and thus that is only added to that version of the book, Special Collection Editions do add more that don't correspond to the regular version, it usually keeps at times what the editors decided to cut, especially if it involves never used footage from a movie where it was cut from as well.

Star Trek Generations Special Collector's Edition Cover (The link I copied wouldn't let me copy the picture on my ipad or computer but I took two screen shots and put them together in Paint. The Link will still show you as well, See Below.

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Since it is a Special Collection Edition version of the book, and not the Tegular Edition that I happen to own it is still not canon and is still false for its only in one version, for it to even be counted any where's, it should be saying: "In the Special Collection Edition Version of Star Trek Generations Novelization, therefore my stance stands correct on the novelization for Star Trek Generations since it isn't in the Regular Edition but only in the Special Collection Edition, therefore it's impossible to take into consideration.

It's clear no one is smart enough to reference that its a Special Collection Edition version of the book. Only a smart person were clarify that mistake.

Scroll up and look at the cover if you don't believe me. Whosoever did that search obviously got it to show up because he got the only version of the book to have the USS Excelsior NCC 2000 doing a Saucer Separation, and furthermore, it wasn't a drill, it was an emergency and it needed to be done to save the ship from a Warp Core Breach, the Secondary Hull was going to explode, the separation was to save the saucer section. Then explain this, how does a saucer section go to Warp 10 without a Warp Core and Warp Nacelles? Read the part the unknown person searched, it is still full of impossibilities. Everyone knows a saucer section can only travel at impulse speeds because the secondary hull is where the warp core and warp nacelles are located.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=JgcBPdLLNzYC&pg=PA61&dq=star+trek+generations+excelsior+separation&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3gQWUc7vAeaW0QXFsoGYBA&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

Like the Constitution-class, the separation method for the Excelsior-class is done by Explosive Bolts, and if the Secondary Hull survives the emergency, a starbase is needed to put the ship back together again. It isn't real Saucer Separation, it's Saucer Separation to keep the crew alive from a starship disaster, anyone with common sense would be able to notice that and see that in those cases it's only for emergencies, nothing more, nothing less.

**Just a fair polite warning, next time people try to look for a source to prove something, make sure it's not just in a Special Edition, a Special Collectirs Edition, but also in the Regular Version as well because with all due respects, it can easily cause major confusion! Plus it's just a courtesy to everyone else.**

****(That is personally why I only reference the Regular Editions if books and novelizations because I have always known that Special Editions and Specual Collevtors Editions add extra information and not everyone gets them to own, and not every library carries those versions.)****

posted on February 9th, 2013, 11:06 pm

On the talk if Saucer Separation, I kind of found this funny but also very stupid on so many levels.

What if the Enterprise NX-01 had Saucer Separation?
http://www.firsttvdrama.com/enterprise/saucer/index.php3

(NOTE: Totally not canon, we all known it didn't and couldn't, the page mentions that. This is just for fun. You have to see the concept in the pictures.)

posted on February 10th, 2013, 12:45 am

Note: My copy says nothing about "special collectors edition" on the front cover and has that passage that I quoted above.

Note 2: There was never a claim that this was canon. It is in the apocrypha section of the article. Apocrypha sections on Memory Alpha are used for things in novels, comics, games, and other licensed products (ie, non-canon materials).

Note 3: Your constant insistence that people are "liars" is quite offensive, so please stop.

Note 4: Can you please pull out your copy of the novelization and read it carefully to see if Sulu makes any appearance in it? I ask because if he doesn't, and you have the "regular" version, then you should investigate getting it replaced, as it appears to be missing large chunks of text.

posted on February 10th, 2013, 7:43 pm

@Sulfur: My Star Trek Generations novelization isn't missing anything, I got it NEW, and it was in new condition, ordered off of Amazon. Plus I don't purchase anything that's damaged or missing anything, always new. My book thus isn't missing any text, I have already confirmed its authenticity when I purchased it as well, I do that a lot with books based on movies.

My book is genuine, and has everything it's supposed to have. In fact I've just started reading it again last night and I'm already to the part where Soran destroys the Amargosa Star, and It doesn't mention Sulu or the Excelsior and follows Star Trek Generations just the way it's supposed to.

I know for a fact that my book is fine, 100% genuine. Maybe you have the wrong book, only God knows.

I am not constantly calling people liars in fact I am only pointing out the truth, and I always have believed in telling the truth, I hate it when people lie, lying is a sin, and I'm a Christian and in the Youth Ministry field (soon to be fully).

I am not going to waste my money to get a book that I already have when my copy is correct. Especially since I heard/read something about the Sulu parts being cut from the film and the novelization which is based on the movie.

posted on February 10th, 2013, 9:53 pm

Can the moderators maybe delete this thread? Not only has it become inane and pointless but it has become very sour.

posted on February 10th, 2013, 10:53 pm

Note: My copy says nothing about "special collectors edition" on the front cover and has that passage that I quoted above.

Note 2: There was never a claim that this was canon. It is in the apocrypha section of the article. Apocrypha sections on Memory Alpha are used for things in novels, comics, games, and other licensed products (ie, non-canon materials).

Note 3: Your constant insistence that people are "liars" is quite offensive, so please stop.

Note 4: Can you please pull out your copy of the novelization and read it carefully to see if Sulu makes any appearance in it? I ask because if he doesn't, and you have the "regular" version, then you should investigate getting it replaced, as it appears to be missing large chunks of text.

Agreed, I too own the Generations novel, and I purchased it when it first came out and I distinctly remember the part with the Excelsior doing a saucer separation drill and Sulu recieving news about Kirks death. And I know my book isnt the special edition, it was an original run book.

posted on February 11th, 2013, 4:13 am

Just drop it everyone. I could prove what I'm saying is true but I'm not going to waste my time taking pictures, just to pease you all.

I agree this thread needs to be "terminated".

posted on February 11th, 2013, 10:48 pm

Just drop it everyone. I could prove what I'm saying is true but I'm not going to waste my time taking pictures, just to pease you all.

I agree this thread needs to be "terminated".

I think you need to calm down. I just posted a relpy about a book that I OWN and distincly remember Sulu on the Excelsior doing a saucer separation drill. I could prove just as easily as you that it is in fact, in the book. Your attitude has been pretty abrasive in some of your posts. Claiming your the only "smart" person who can figure out the "truth" of the matter is not the best way to endure yourself around here. You are acting as if were personally attacking you, and your basically saying everyone else here is full of S*** besides you, while I am corroborating what Sulfur said, I remember that part as well as Tyler also has found info on it. Its not like were making this up just to piss you off so you need to chill out. And either way its still not canon as a couple people already said and you are STILL arguing that it never happened. Seems like you WANT to argue to prove your right, even though several people have given you statements to the contrary.

posted on February 11th, 2013, 11:32 pm

@Equinox1701e: All I have been saying is that it isn't in my copy of the book and that is all I have been ever trying to say, how is that a problem?
Well just to let you know, it really seems like everyone on this post is trying to attack me, I'm about ready to destroy my Star Trek Generations book and every other Star Trek book I own because of it. Why read them if just because one version of the book is published without something, it can happen at different times.

I've told the publisher about the problem with my copy and they said to save it, an error like that can possibly be worth money someday, and I was told I can look at it this way: "At least your book's version is canon to the film."

So I feel very lucky, at least I got something that's worth more than I paid for it.

And to further something, Sulfur appears to nly have joined to get involved in his post any ways, I checked, he only has two posts and they're both here.

Any ways, I'm not the one who started the whole Excelsior-class Saucer Separation thing for the record, nor am I the one who brought it up from Memory Alpha, all I ever did was said its not canon. Then some has to bring Star Trek Generations into it, it's not my fault my book has a misprint with that part missing, who knows, it could be one of the first publishings when the saucer separation and Sulu and the Excelsior weren't in it.

Why can't anyone just drop it?
I've avoided this topic all day, and now it feels like I'm being made a "target".
So every, just let it go and drop it, PLEASE!!!
Someone please lock this topic?

posted on February 12th, 2013, 12:43 am

@Equinox1701e: All I have been saying is that it isn't in my copy of the book and that is all I have been ever trying to say, how is that a problem?
Well just to let you know, it really seems like everyone on this post is trying to attack me, I'm about ready to destroy my Star Trek Generations book and every other Star Trek book I own because of it. Why read them if just because one version of the book is published without something, it can happen at different times.

I never said it WAS a problem, again I was pointing out that it IS in fact in the book as I already stated. And I dont need you to let me know anything, I been reading all the posts in this thread. You seem to be the one causing most of the tension in this thread. For an example one of your earlier quotes:

@Tyler & Sulfur: Here is a major piece of information that you two along with the one who did that search obviously clearly overlooked but I choose not to! I at least took the smart course of action to check to see if it was any type of special version that the one I have and guess what it is! Plus that version also raises more questions as well, just continue reading...

It's clear no one is smart enough to reference that its a Special Collection Edition version of the book. Only a smart person were clarify that mistake.

You sitting here basically saying everyone else is dumb because they didnt search around for a "special edition" of the book. To me these statements make you sound arrogant and not exactly friendly.

And to further something, Sulfur appears to nly have joined to get involved in his post any ways, I checked, he only has two posts and they're both here.

So what? His posts are less valid because he has only 2 of them? He didnt say anything offensive, he merely confirmed what Tyler posted about the Excelsior doing a saucer separation in the novelization of Generations.

Any ways, I'm not the one who started the whole Excelsior-class Saucer Separation thing for the record, nor am I the one who brought it up from Memory Alpha, all I ever did was said its not canon.

Never said you were, and I dont remember anyone accusing you of starting the separation thing. And several people have said its not canon, I dont know why you keep bringing this up since EVERYONE has been saying the same thing.

Why can't anyone just drop it?
I've avoided this topic all day, and now it feels like I'm being made a "target".

Your just as guilty as anyone else here. For every reply someone makes you take it as a personal attack when there is none. If you want the topic to end you could just as easily not reply. But you insist on comming back and painting yourself as a victim. If your this easily aggrivated that your about to throw out your book collection, and feel so "targeted" by us when its clearly in you mind, maybe you should just stay off internet forums.

posted on February 12th, 2013, 1:08 am

Alright, play nicely guys.

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