New Romulan ships?

posted on February 7th, 2013, 10:55 pm

Hey guys been playing fleet ops for about two months (really enjoying the game!!!) and have played through all of the races extensively apart from the dominion. Really enjoy the Romulans, by far my favourite faction and was curious as to if there will be any new ships coming soon? had a little shot of Armada II (original) and noticed that the Raptor (small vessel) and the Venator (large vessel) don't feature in fleet ops. was wondering if there would be the possibility of brining new ships or some old ones back into the romulan fleet?
FYI- amazing work that you guys have done with this game and by far my favourite pc game so far!!

posted on February 7th, 2013, 11:14 pm

Yes, more are planned. The Raptor and Shadow are two old ships I've seen mentioned. The Venator seems a bit redundant with the Valdore Class around, though.

More on the Raptor.

posted on February 8th, 2013, 12:24 am

Cheers for replying man.. And yeah that's cool then. What is the valdore class?

posted on February 8th, 2013, 6:00 am

Check out some of the News Posts and you'll see some Romulan Refits that will be a part of the next patch. Since Roms rely heavily on Refits there will be plenty of interesting options .

Maybe even some badass new ships too

posted on February 8th, 2013, 6:28 am

The true name of the class that you are calling the Valdore Class is actually the Norexan Class, the IRS Valdore is a warbird in the class, this name is canon, Paramount has confirmed it that the Valdore is a member of the Norexan Class, not everyone wants to agree with this though and Star Trek Online calls this ship class The Mogai Class.

It is actually directly stated in this Memory Alpha page as well:
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Valdore_type

The Star Trek Customizable Card Game refers to the Valdore-type as the Norexan-class.

The Star Trek: Titan novels from Pocket Books and Star Trek Online classify the Valdore-type as the Mogai-class.

According to the Star Trek: Titan series, the Valdore-type ships are smaller than the D'deridex vessels but are newer and more heavily armed, with more advanced weaponry. This may explain the significant difference in the appearance of this vessel's weaponry compared to that of the D'deridex which is portrayed firing bright neon green torpedoes and disruptors. Also according to the Titan series, the Valdore-type significantly outnumbers the D'deridex in terms of numbers within the fleet.

posted on February 8th, 2013, 11:16 am

The true name of the class that you are calling the Valdore Class is actually the Norexan Class

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does it matter what paramount says? nope. what STO says? nope.

was the name norexan ever said in a star trek tv show/movie/animated series? nope. therefore it's not canon and hence fans can choose what to call it.

if you look at memory alpha, the valdore is considered a ship of the valdore type (not class) as no class name is known. we don't even know if the romulans give every single one of their ships class names like the feds do.

you have quoted the apocrypha section, which is not canon.

in the apocrypha section, there are conflicting names, john eaves (designer on many star trek series and movies, he designed the valdore) calls it the valdore class.

hence there is no "actual" or "true" name for this design. hence it's up to fans to decide what to name it in their headcanon. i personally choose valdore type (not class) as i don't need it to have a class name.

posted on February 8th, 2013, 3:34 pm

Quick question, Je_mezu; what do you call the Akira, Norway and Saber Class? Because they are also non-canon names that come from the designers.

posted on February 8th, 2013, 3:45 pm

I call it a "Sabre Class" because I loathe the US spelling of it

posted on February 8th, 2013, 6:21 pm

yeah boggz new ships will be great! however romulan refits at the moment are super expensive...
btw watched some of your tournament videos, learned alot!

posted on February 8th, 2013, 7:22 pm

@Tyler: As for the Romulan Norexan Class warbird, I'm not going by a stupid card game, I'm going by other sources, a member of Paramount that stated the class and from the official Star Trek site which anything there is also considered canon because its directly related to the entire franchise, movies and series. Plus, it came from the: "Apocrypha" section of the article meaning like I've previously said it faces: "Questionable Authenticity".


http://database.obsidianfleet.net/wiki/index.php?title=Norexan_class
http://www.thetafleet.net/index.php?option=shipdb&sclass=51

And by the way, the class name as Norexan class is even mentioned in the FleetOps Guide for another ship as its sister ship class:

The Cehlaer:
The Cehlaer was a sister project of the Norexan Class warbird which is known for its technological advanced computer system design, a new type of hull plating and weapon power. The Cehlaer has all advantages the Norexan design has except that it's impulse engine and warp drive capabilites have been reduced to deliver a powerful arsenal of weapons for the Romulan Star Empire. General Mijural of the Tal'Shiar has had great influence in the development of the project and later also placed the Cehlaer Class into the Romulan defense fleet. Although quite a few years newer, the Cehlaer is somewhat of a counterpart to the Federation's Galaxy Class in reputation and role.

The reduction of speed relying on the lesser powerful engines makes the Cehlaer a powerful siege vessel. Its massive disruptor array can bring an impressive degree of destruction to the enemy. A commander of a Cehlaer type warbird said after a weapons test that the caehlar class is powerful enough to take on a borg cube. A good starship captain should always avoid to let one of these giant flying disruptors in the shape of warbird come into weapon range.

Norexan Class:
The Norexan class is the newest starship of the Romulan Star Empire. It is meant as an alternative to the still used D'deridex class and is equipped with the most advanced technology the Empire has.

Sadly, they also have the Star Trek Online mistake name version for this class, this mistake was actually made because no one could agree on the class name, and the producers for Star Trek Nemesis never gave the class name for the two warbirds of this class that helped out the USS Enterprise NCC 1701-E against the Scimitar, and the only ship given a name for that movie was Donatra's IRS Valdore, so people just assumed that was the class name, when the Norexan name was mentioned for the class it stuck but one book was published with the name "Mogai" so mistakes were made that couldn't be fixed.

Mogai Class:
The new Mogai class was part of a program to increase the infrastructure of the Romulan Star Empire. These vessels are used to maintain the complex sensor network and are able to construct advanced starbases in a short amount of time.

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@Tyler: I call the Akira-class, Sabre-class and Norway-class by their given name because they are already canon based names, plus these names have never been in dispute unlike the Norexan Class Romulan Warbird.

Plus I believe the names of these classes were mentioned in either Star Trek Deep Space Nine or Voyager, or quickly in First Contact. Sometimes the class names are shown on a dedication plaque onscreen or a computer screen, just have to look.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Akira_class

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Saber_class
(NOTE: There are two spellings for this class, the one used on Memory Alpha is Saber-class, Star Trek Armada II and Star Trek Online use the name spelt as"Sabre-class so since you asked, I personally prefer the name Sabre-class, both names are accurate because the Star Trek Encyclopedia also uses them interchangeably.)

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Norway_class/

Here is the Official Star Trek Websites Database for ships, all things listed here are canon and this site is stated to be the Official Online Canon Source For ALL things Star Trek. This should be your first source for information:
http://www.startrek.com/database_article_navigator#Ship

@Myles: And for the IRS Valdore, the title of the page isn't Norexan, (Norexan isn't listed in the database, nor is Valdore.) They go by the name Donatra gave Captain Picard:

Romulan warbird Valdore

http://www.startrek.com/database_article/romulan-warbird-valdore

The Valdore is a newer, sleeker design of warbird, distinguished from its predecessor by its expansive wingspan and elongated hull.
Under the command of Commander Donatra, the ship lead the Romulan campaign to stop Reman Shinzon and his massive warship, the Scimitar, from attacking Earth with its thalaron-radiation weapon.
Donatra also aided Picard and the Enterprise-E in their efforts to stop Shinzon. This brief alliance marked a significant turn in Romulan-Federation relations.
During the incursion, the Valdore was severely damaged; left adrift, but salvageable.

Notice no where in this article is there a class name for this ship, they are talking about the IRS Valdore.

Either way, I have heard many Star Trek fans and Nemesis fans calling it the Norexan Class Warbird. I've seen mods calling it that as well. I have even seen this form of the name: "Norexan Class Valdore-Type Warbird". I personally have a refit class in my A2 Mod going by that name and the Pre-Refit is called Norexan Class.

I myself was totally yelled at, and told how wrong I was when I first called it the Valdore Class.

**I think there needs to be a new forums section for discussing/ranting/arguing stuff like this instead of different threads being taken over for such childish/immature actions. We all have opinions, why not respect them. If there's evidence to rebuke an opinion state it, but actually have reasons and other sources to back it up.
Doesn't anyone agree?

posted on February 8th, 2013, 7:45 pm

Glad everyone here is talking about important stuff like canon names and such...

yeah boggz new ships will be great! however romulan refits at the moment are super expensive...

The refits are all priced in a way that makes them easily accessible and flexible as the game continues. I know what you mean about spendy 3.2.7 refits and I can assure you the developers took that into consideration.

posted on February 8th, 2013, 8:01 pm

You're going by no sources with any canon backing, which is no more reliable. You also used the card game as 'proof' it was called Norexan, not doing that may save problems.

Saber, Akira and Norway have as much canon basis as Norexan, Valdore and Mogai, in other words; none at all. Their names are from the creators, just like Valdore. As said, no canon for any of them.

Respect opinions? I generally do, but don't barge into threads and start 'correcting' other posters for calling a nameless ship a name you don't like (especially with another name that isn't supported by canon anymore than the first). When you charged in just to challenge me, all I saw was you trying to force you chosen name on me.

posted on February 9th, 2013, 6:47 am

@Tyler: Just drop it! They actually do have names and respect to canon, especially the Akira-class, Sabre-class and the Norway-class, their names have been mentioned! If you want to speak like that, then the Prometheus-class can be added to your list and so many other ships in Star Trek because way you're making it look, there aren't really many ships mentioned in canon episodes for class names that are widely respected as canon.

When I quoted directly to www.startrek.com, I quoted most respected and canon based Star Trek website on the Internet. Your authors for Star Trek books use it sometimes for canon based information, they use Memory Alpha as well but not the Apocrypha Section because it isn't canon, and now that I happen to quote something from there on how a stupid card game that I never even heard of calls the Norexan Class Warbird by its common class name that I've heard as the true classes name not just from online but the editors of Star Trek books at Pocketbooks, Marco Palmieri & Margaret Clark got directly from the production staff after accidentally calling it the Mogai Class in the Star Trek Titan book series, but they can change it in those books, so the books have a misprint.

Now the funny part is that when I was telling you can't use the Apocrypha Section because it is under Questionable Authenticity you go and do the exact same thing to me when using it to quote the class names it lists, but guess what I know that they aren't canon since they are questionable, news flash; the entire name of the class that the Valdore belongs to has been under question since back when Star Trek Nemesis came out. Everyone has their own idea on its class name, some might even call it the C-Type Warbird, because the A-Type is the Melak Class Warbird (the class of Warbird that destroyed the USS Enterprise NCC 1701-C over Narenda III), the B-Type was the d'Deridex Class Warbird, that leaves the C-Type.

Either way, everyone is going to say differently on what is the true canon name for the Norexan Class Warbird, and until there is either another movie or series with it that clearly gives it a class name, it's open to everyone's speculation and interpretation, and I will always be calling it the Norexan Class until that time, so that's what people here will see me posting it as.

posted on February 9th, 2013, 10:24 am

Oh hey, I know!

Why don't all of you who are arguing just forget about it!?!

It's all just musing and speculation and ultimately does nothing at all to argue about it! The post was about new Romulan ships so why don't we talk about that???!!!!

Where is Mal when I need him???

posted on February 9th, 2013, 12:33 pm

They're not canon because they were never named on screen. It's as simple as that.