Civil or Military?

posted on April 9th, 2011, 2:24 am

Both the game guide and the ingame stuff use the word 'civil' (IE: civil hanger bays on the risner akira).

It's civilian, not civil.

posted on April 9th, 2011, 3:13 am

Civil is in fact correct usage I recommend any dictionary really, but some more quick examples can be found, such as "civil law" or "civil affairs" 

[Nebula_Class_Ftw]

posted on April 9th, 2011, 3:54 am

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Civilian hangar bays: You get to watch the epic battle while having lunch as fighters frantically come in from your destroyed allies! The hangar itself is considered non-combatant so long as no fighters are inside, and we can guarantee that our reasonable enemies* won't target it while it's non-combatant. Free to Federation citizens and 5,000 credits for everyone else! 

Disclaimer: The United Federation of Planets, Starfleet, and all other contributing parties to the civilian hangar bay project are not liable for injury or death of anyone inside the hangars.
*Reasonable enemies only include factions opposed to the United Federation of Planets who have the same values as it.

posted on April 9th, 2011, 4:00 am

Civil is in fact correct usage I recommend any dictionary really, but some more quick examples can be found, such as "civil law" or "civil affairs" 

Sounds like something for a civilian ship.

posted on April 10th, 2011, 11:55 pm

Dem Jem'hadar civies.............. 

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posted on April 11th, 2011, 7:42 pm

Crafts, while more archaic, is still proper usage.

And Jem'hadar using 'civil' hanger bays too ?

Im sorry but I dont see the Jem'hadar having ANYTHING civil......... whats next 'civil' Klingons ?

[Tyler]

posted on April 11th, 2011, 7:46 pm

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Klingons have civil people; one's that don't qualify for or choose a military career. Civil for the Dominion would be Vorta or any races forced to work for them. They have conquered many worlds.

The only time civil would be out of place is on the Borg, for obvious reasons.

posted on April 11th, 2011, 10:53 pm

Klingons have civil people; one's that don't qualify for or choose a military career. Civil for the Dominion would be Vorta or any races forced to work for them. They have conquered many worlds.

The only time civil would be out of place is on the Borg, for obvious reasons.

Well based on the nomenclature standard they're using here, if Borg had fighters, smaller ships with backup hanger bays would have them called 'civil' as well .........

Civil - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Definition of CIVIL
1
a : of or relating to citizens b : of or relating to the state or its citizenry
2
a : civilized b : adequate in courtesy and politeness : mannerly
3
a : of, relating to, or based on civil law b : relating to private rights and to remedies sought by action or suit distinct from criminal proceedings c : established by law
4
: of, relating to, or involving the general public, their activities, needs, or ways, or civic affairs as distinguished from special (as military or religious) affairs
5
of time : based on the mean sun and legally recognized for use in ordinary affairs
See civil defined for English-language learners »
Examples of CIVIL

  1. They got married in a civil ceremony at city hall.
  2. It was hard to be civil when I felt so angry.
  3. She was barely civil to me.

Origin of CIVIL
Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin civilis, from civis
First Known Use: 14th century
Related to CIVIL
Synonyms: national, public
Antonyms: nonnational

The fact is, the way Dom explained it as 'civil law' or 'civil affairs' makes no real sense in context.

I think the better way to name them would be 'large hanger bays' , 'fighter emergency landing' or something to that effect, as the prime requirement for this would be the vessels hanger having the size to admit fighters (unless you use Voyager graphics dept logic, and regularly have the hanger somehow admit vessels larger than the entrance) and simply have the infocard state that in the case of the mothership being destroyed that that vessels hanger is large enough to admit fightercraft.

Neither of those two suggested names are really that good I dont think, but I'm sure someone will come up with something snazy.

posted on April 11th, 2011, 11:15 pm

If it's not a dedicated military bay, it's civil one would presume. The bays on the Avalon and the B5 are some sort of automated construction facility designed specifically to prepare and launch military fighters - those on the Akira, B8, Sovereign are merely big enough to accommodate the craft, but are nonetheless not purely for military application.

posted on April 11th, 2011, 11:18 pm

Wouldn't that make them fall under definition 4 of the quote in Tok'ra's last post?

posted on April 11th, 2011, 11:19 pm

It would appear so

Thread split, as we are talking about semantics

[Tok`ra]

posted on April 11th, 2011, 11:38 pm

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Wouldn't that make them fall under definition 4 of the quote in Tok'ra's last post?

Indeed, however in that case the FEDERATION tool tips would need rewriting to be more clear and the Dominon tooltips would just need an entirely new name.


Personaly I just say rename and slight rewrite, and a single tooltip can cover all races.

Cavernous Shuttle Bays
(passive)
     This vessel has extremely large
     shuttle bays which may be used to support
     fighter craft if their carrier should be lost.
     However this vessel lacks the hanger
     facilities to deploy fighters on its own.

edit: Oh and Dom your civil air patrol refrence doesnt fit. That was civilian aircraft in an auxiliary role.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_air_patrol#History

If you want to make the CAP comparison, then you would need to add civil hangers to mining stations adn non-combat ships for it to make sense :p .

posted on April 12th, 2011, 2:23 am

well you could call it civil if it was contracted out for military reasons .......as most fed ships are not "military ships" so i think the tool tip can stay the same .........as if some thing was civil to start with and was changed to a military role ....that does not mean that its name would also change.

[cyrax88]

posted on April 12th, 2011, 2:28 am

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also the federation is kinda a civil origination  as starfleet is more Military. so its not out of the ? to have civil hanger bays on the akira .......as for Jem'hadar using 'civil' hanger bays..hmmmmm this could use a change some day ...but its just a little tooltip. its not like it need to be changed right this moment.

posted on April 12th, 2011, 2:38 am

its just a little tooltip. its not like it need to be changed right this moment.

Indeed, that's why this was posted in the typo topic. Nothing THAT big, but could really use a fix to make more sense come the next version.