Federation VS Galactic Empire

posted on June 8th, 2014, 5:37 pm

Reply the reason most of the Jedi died when the order was given was they were in a fight already and got shot from behind or were shot with their guard down either way its kinda hard to not die when shot without warning. If they had known about the Order then I guarantee you more Jedi would have survived.

posted on June 8th, 2014, 5:43 pm

And how did Palpatine start the empire? With a vote.

Yeah, but they said he was using the force to influence the senate. They were also able to see the future.

Plus Darth Vadar played by HeyDon'tActAgain walked into room and killed all the opposing leaders using his ability to shut doors and perfectly anticipate incoming weapons fire. I'd like to see someone without those powers pull that off.

"Deed somebody chal?"

No Arnold.

posted on June 8th, 2014, 6:16 pm

... If they had known about the Order then I guarantee you more Jedi would have survived.

Kinda doubt that. You see in the first movie how easily you could defeat a Jedi - use some Droids with shields.
Or just a huge amount of Stormtroopers - they can't reflect all fire at once.
Or maybe some gas that doesn't give the opponent minutes to figure out an escape route.
Or... or... or....

. I'd like to see someone without those powers pull that off. ...

It looked neat. But if the force is as powerful as you say, one would imagine he has better things to do than just assassinating some people. Just send in a squad of Stromtroopers - problem solved.

About the senate: his influence wasn't due the force, it was because of his conspiracy.
If he had the force or not made no difference to the outcome.
The force is more a placeholder to simplify the sides of good and evil.

posted on June 8th, 2014, 7:06 pm

I dunno... the way I've always understood force wielders is they're a kind of Newtype (please forgive excessive anime refs). Jedi and Sith instinctively understand their environment better than others. One Sith could subvert an republic. It would have been nice if the prequels had spelled that out a bit better, but I'm pretty sure Saltine was using a big mind trick on the Senate.

Also, 'weak-minded' seemed weird to me. Even if they're clones, those are supposed to be battle-hardened soldiers with a military-based discipline. That's considered weak-minded? Then again, they were defeated by Ewoks... Never mind, Starfleet 1, Empire 0

posted on June 9th, 2014, 2:07 am

"Deed somebody chal?"

No Arnold.

not sure what this means. could you explain please?

posted on June 9th, 2014, 3:15 am

"Deed somebody chal?"

No Arnold.

not sure what this means. could you explain please?

The Arnold Schwarzenegger effect; The ability to escape every incoming projectile at every possible angle by means of a barrel role. Always able to shoot anyone despite being in their line of fire. Always achieves objectives. Always saves the girl... which is why they didn't cast him as Anikin...

Required Ingredients: Camo paint, partially smoked Cuban cigar, assorted full-auto firearms, and at least 3 coup de grace puns involving a knife (Example: 'Stick around.')

Also Chuck Norris could singly handedly take out the separatists, but one does not reference Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris references Chuck Norris.

I may have spent a little too much time on the internet... but I'm not a party animal, so that balances out I guess.

posted on June 9th, 2014, 4:29 pm

On the ground, even assuming neither army was allowed to use vehicles (incl. shuttles and fighters), Starfleet would still win. They wouldn't have any qualms against using personal cloaking technology for infiltration á la Star Trek Insurrection (which Stormtrooper helmets can't detect, as in SW universe it's nigh impossible to get cloaks small enough for a freighter, never mind people), their Marines would likely wear armour or personal shielding capable of standing up to atleast one blaster bolt (unlike Stormies, who wear armour capable of being penetrated by pointed sticks and rocks in addition to a single blaster bolt) and its very likely Starfleet would use the modified TR-116 rifle if the worst came to the worst.
Only advantages Imperials would likely have is their willingness to shoot-to-kill, their willingness to shoot on sight and their probable advanced use of ground tactics (as ground combat seems uncommon in ST universe, whereas it happens every two days in SW).

I dont know, Stormtroopers never use cover, Aim, and line themselves up like in a Greek Phalanx......not very good tactics if you ask me

posted on June 10th, 2014, 6:07 am

I dont know, Stormtroopers never use cover, Aim, and line themselves up like in a Greek Phalanx......not very good tactics if you ask me

On the other hand: THERE'S SO MANY OF THEM.

posted on June 10th, 2014, 6:53 pm

I dont know, Stormtroopers never use cover, Aim, and line themselves up like in a Greek Phalanx......not very good tactics if you ask me

On the other hand: THERE'S SO MANY OF THEM.

On the other-other hand, they're nowehere near as mobile as Fed Marines...I suspect that Starfleet would use guerilla tactics against such superior numbers, and likely use diplomacy to get some small, furry creatures who've not progressed beyond the Bronze Age but understand the finer points of architecture to use their pointy sticks on Stormtrooper armour (made from the finest soggy newspaper in all the Empire)

posted on June 10th, 2014, 7:17 pm

While the Force users sense the ST marines and cut them all down.

posted on June 10th, 2014, 11:08 pm

.....HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT
A) The force does not work/affect outside the Star Wars Galaxy, and as I previously stated, this battle occurs in the Large Magallenic Cloud, which is neither the Star Wars Galaxy (assumed to be the Andromeda in this case) or the MIlky way, so neither species has any home field advantage, so no force
Force Users are not a factor, since this is Federation vs Imperial Army/Navy, not Federation vs Sith and Imperial Army/Navy. No Q, Borg, Klingons, or Sith/Jedi.
Federation Marines would crush stormtroopers.

posted on June 10th, 2014, 11:52 pm

.....
Federation Marines would crush stormtroopers.

Even Ewoks crushed Stormtroopers - literally.
If i would be the emperor, i would sue those clone creators.

posted on June 11th, 2014, 1:40 am

If it were Starfleet Makos, sure. If the marines were from the redshirt corps, it'd be hard to say. The soldiers who can't hit anything vs. the people who can't survive anything. I suppose the redshirts could die of heart attacks brought on by near misses, but that's a bit of a stretch.

I know I've said it before, but two wormhole thingies, and the Empire will be wiped out... all of them...

Y3hunna, you poor thing, I know you're trying to get a straight answer, but it's hopeless. Even if we all gave serious, technical answers, it ultimately amounts to squat. If you asked this on some SW fansite, I have no doubt you would receive a drastically different answer. Not unless they were realists The battle plays out however you want it to. If you want to spark a halfway sensible discussion, come up with your own script to the outcome and watch the criticism. Just a suggestion. And don't worry, your thread got some 40 odd posts and a lot of laughs. I call that a win

And just for kicks (much of the reason I'm on in the first place...)

If I was in command of the Imperial fleet, I would throw all of my warships into hyperspace, ram the starfleet group prioritizing the Narada, and detonate all the on-board munitions. The ships and crews are expendable in my ruthless opinion. I'd then mop up with the Deathstar.

If I was Starfleet, I'd warp the Narada over the Imperial fleet and drop the redmatter. The Deathstar's firing sequence would take too long to catch her before she jumped to warp. In a few seconds, she's moved out of the Deathstar's firing arc. Coming about at a distance and decelerating at close range, coordinating with the fleet for Deathstar's telemetry, drop another redmatter thing and done.

posted on June 11th, 2014, 1:35 pm

If it were Starfleet Makos, sure. If the marines were from the redshirt corps, it'd be hard to say. The soldiers who can't hit anything vs. the people who can't survive anything. I suppose the redshirts could die of heart attacks brought on by near misses, but that's a bit of a stretch.

I know I've said it before, but two wormhole thingies, and the Empire will be wiped out... all of them...

Y3hunna, you poor thing, I know you're trying to get a straight answer, but it's hopeless. Even if we all gave serious, technical answers, it ultimately amounts to squat. If you asked this on some SW fansite, I have no doubt you would receive a drastically different answer. Not unless they were realists The battle plays out however you want it to. If you want to spark a halfway sensible discussion, come up with your own script to the outcome and watch the criticism. Just a suggestion. And don't worry, your thread got some 40 odd posts and a lot of laughs. I call that a win

And just for kicks (much of the reason I'm on in the first place...)

If I was in command of the Imperial fleet, I would throw all of my warships into hyperspace, ram the starfleet group prioritizing the Narada, and detonate all the on-board munitions. The ships and crews are expendable in my ruthless opinion. I'd then mop up with the Deathstar.

If I was Starfleet, I'd warp the Narada over the Imperial fleet and drop the redmatter. The Deathstar's firing sequence would take too long to catch her before she jumped to warp. In a few seconds, she's moved out of the Deathstar's firing arc. Coming about at a distance and decelerating at close range, coordinating with the fleet for Deathstar's telemetry, drop another redmatter thing and done.

I didnt know you could ram stuff while in Hyperspace.....

posted on June 11th, 2014, 1:38 pm

Simply set the exit vector right in front of the ship you're looking to ram.