Galaxy Class 'Venture Refit'

posted on January 16th, 2010, 3:24 pm

no, in voyager they ran out of writing ideas, continuity, intelligence, and credibility, but never shuttles. (well actually yes they ran out of deuterium a lot too, isn't it a component of heavy water, which is found in earth's ocean? most M class planets probably have oceans with heavy water.)

posted on January 16th, 2010, 3:26 pm

Deuterium is just an isotope of hydrogen, the most abundant element in the universe, so yup, it can be found in water . And here comes the Voyager bashing - I shall refrain, but I know my take on the "show" 

posted on January 16th, 2010, 3:29 pm

at least they were realistic about fusing deuterium into helium, they probably consulted a real life scientist for the only time ever in voyager's history. i wonder what they do with the resulting helium, probably kim uses it to make his voice even more girly.

posted on January 16th, 2010, 3:57 pm

First of all: It's true the saucer is used like a "civilian evacuation module" if the seperation is done for the purpose of going into battle.

Second: The main phaser arrays are not that much of a loss, since the battlebridge's "seat" has it's own (sometimes mentioned as more heavy) one.

Third: Since the saucer is one hell of an energy sucker, it is absolutely believable that the stardrive section on it's own is more capable of using energy in more combat-effective ways. All the comfort stuff is in the saucer so I can't imagine why the stardrive should have less power when abandoning all these things like laboratories, holodecks and quarters for more than 1000 people when manned standardly.

And adding a last thing; the reality factor of Star Trek in technological details were discussed by scientists of physics, and unless impulse drive is something we actually already have (in a less effective way of course), warp drive is impossible regarding our current technology level. Dr. Harald Lesch stated that for warp drive, a vessel would need a power output only many of our suns could produce together only to create the warp field. So Warp drive is the biggest fictional point about technology used all the time in Star Trek. And every science fiction needs great fictions.

posted on January 16th, 2010, 4:03 pm

And adding a last thing; the reality factor of Star Trek in technological details were discussed by scientists of physics, and unless impulse drive is something we actually already have (in a less effective way of course), warp drive is impossible regarding our current technology level. Dr. Harald Lesch stated that for warp drive, a vessel would need a power output only many of our suns could produce together only to create the warp field. So Warp drive is the biggest fictional point about technology used all the time in Star Trek. And every science fiction needs great fictions.

I don't know where you exactly got that quote, but Warp Drive implies some implausibilities other than energy output (AM/M are obviously the most efficient energy production possible and could produce extremely high outputs compared to the sun depending on how big and powerful your reaction chamber was). It requires another universe (subspace) and some way to generate a field to get 'into' it... I think energy output would be the least of your concerns frankly 

posted on January 16th, 2010, 4:13 pm

if saucer separation makes the ship much better at combat, then why did we always see galaxy class vessels in the war with their saucers.

1) the odyssey expects some battle so it dumps its non essential people at ds9, but kept its saucer and its massive phasers, and sickbays to heal people who are injured by exploding consoles.

2) the venture came to ds9 to fight the klingons, it kept its saucer and phaser arrays attached.

3) in SoA we saw galaxy classes killing all everyone with their saucer phaser arrays. (that galor got pwned)

4) in tears of the prophets we saw a galaxy class (said to be the USS Galaxy by production staff) attacking COWPs with its saucer.

those are the 4 i remember, they never ditched the saucer. just the civilians

posted on January 16th, 2010, 5:07 pm

I don't know where you exactly got that quote,

I already wrote down the name of that Dr. of physics I got that quote from in my last post, and since I'm no expert in physics there's nothing wrong mentioning one theory I know about.

It's also possible I'm just getting a little too tired for that topic right now because I didn't sleep that good last night.

if saucer separation makes the ship much better at combat, then why did we always see galaxy class vessels in the war with their saucers.

Personally I'm convinced it has to do with the budget for the TV-shows and the writers behind the series.
They barely managed to get saucer seperation into TNG for very few episodes, and as far as I know the writers of DS9 didn't care that much about that matter because their eyes lay on Defiant, the Dominion forces and the enhanced special effects (especially explosions and weapons and all that stuff) and on the aliens (except for season 7 when they appeared to have abandoned Quark's for some reason I'll never understand because Vick's was absolutely terrible and boring and also a little depressing if that's the new place you choose for relaxing during a war). The bonus material of the DVD-boxes contain lots of hints leading to this conclusion.

posted on January 16th, 2010, 5:15 pm

ds9 switched to CGI later on, so it would have cost similar amounts to animate a stardive section only.

and it was Vic's, Vicks make nasal decongestants. and i loved Vic, james darren's album "this ones from the heart" was amazing.

[RedEyedRaven]

posted on January 16th, 2010, 5:31 pm

Last edited by RedEyedRaven on January 16th, 2010, 5:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Later on, DS9 was screwed up a little. I really hated most episodes of season 7. So it's obvious I was too annoyed to notice the change to CGI 

Okay, it's Vic's. And it's okay if you liked that guy and the songs he sang, but I hate to be forced of watching/hearing things I personally do not like at all just because I want to watch DS9. In TNG the music events at least were kept short and were mostly classic music pieces like Mozart. To me, this is much different than watching a show and getting a Sinatra-song in full length. Not everyone likes Sinatra. If they'd at least kept it short like in TNG, I wouldn't even bother to criticise this. It's just not everyone's taste.

posted on January 16th, 2010, 5:37 pm

they weren't all sinatra songs. i didn't rate sinatra that much. james darren is better.

EDIT: and i agree perhaps they should have featured that style of music (Great American Songbook was its name) a little less for those who don't like it. my love for that genre may have blinded me.

posted on January 16th, 2010, 5:47 pm

they weren't all sinatra songs. i didn't rate sinatra that much. james darren is better.

It's better to you because you personally like James Darren (which is still okay to me because taste is unarguable), and the Sinatra-case was just an example. I didn't even recognise every song that came up in Vic's because it was all nothing for my taste. And this is just my point: putting full taste-dependable songs into a sci-fi show is just out of place and also annoying to people who dislike the chosen songs.

posted on January 16th, 2010, 5:50 pm

they should have had a more broad selection. there's more to music than mozart and sinatra.

why no lethal bizzle songs?

posted on January 16th, 2010, 5:59 pm

Or just shorten it up like in TNG when the played music pieces were already almost over every time they came up or were fast forward-like shortened up like in the concert ambassador Sarek visited when he was on the Enterprise. That at least wouldn't have been that hard to take even if I didn't like the songs.

It's as if I (and I personally love Gothic rock and Dark wave) would insert songs from The Cure or Cradle of Filth in full length sang by a guy who looks like Marylin Manson and expect everyone watching the show for all reasons except for that one to swallow that, no matter if they like it or not. I would make that in a parody, but not in a serious and story-orientated show.

posted on January 16th, 2010, 6:01 pm

The combined Galaxy Class is a Battleship, seperation only keeps civilians out of the battle. DS9 was a war, so seperation was unneeded.

posted on January 16th, 2010, 6:02 pm

Deuterium is just an isotope of hydrogen, the most abundant element in the universe,

A rather careless post there Dom  :thumbsup:

We've only analysed a handful of planets, and never left the Sol system, so for all we know, Hydrogen is in fact a rather rare commodity.