Cold Hard Numbers

posted on February 18th, 2012, 8:46 pm

So if the Remore is highly automated, can it lose crew without dropping its rate of fire?

sounds like a good mechanic to me. all support ships should get that to a degree. a higher resistance to the effects of crew loss. the repair rate effect is already dealt with by higher system value.

posted on February 18th, 2012, 10:42 pm

sounds like a good mechanic to me. all support ships should get that to a degree. a higher resistance to the effects of crew loss. the repair rate effect is already dealt with by higher system value.

Hmmm... for the Remore it makes sense. These ships are designed to 'supercalculate' stuff.
For other support-ships I don't see a high automation-potential. Canaverals have crews of 40 and are specialized on sensors/targeting.
Norways are somewhat multi-tasking, but mainly they could be consideres 'self-buffing energy-manipulators'.

Another good example are klingon, but mainly dominion-supports.
Both crew their vessels with warriors who are basically expecting (or even longing for) combat situations that take place on their or on the foes vessel. That's displayed by the quite high crew-complements of Dominion-vessels and the high klingon boarding-party-strength for example.

posted on February 18th, 2012, 10:48 pm

they'll all have more advanced computers than standard ships is my point, so they'd be able to deal slightly better with having less crew.

the remore sounds like it would be even better than that, being designed with positronics in mind from the start.

posted on February 18th, 2012, 10:52 pm

they'll all have more advanced computers than standard ships is my point, so they'd be able to deal slightly better with having less crew.

Well, either that, or they are designed so specifically adjusted on their specialisation that a general rule for advanced this and that wouldn't apply.

posted on February 18th, 2012, 11:01 pm

Well, either that, or they are designed so specifically adjusted on their specialisation that a general rule for advanced this and that wouldn't apply.

could you elaborate on that, it isn't forming in my mind well (maybe sleep loss is partly to blame here  )

posted on February 18th, 2012, 11:11 pm

could you elaborate on that, it isn't forming in my mind well (maybe sleep loss is partly to blame here  )

Hm.. I could make an example:

Support ships are specialists and great in their specific context.

Remore = Computers

Canaveral = Sensors

Norway = Combat

Qaw'Duj = Debuffs

Bortas = Doomsday and Annoyance (D.A., hahaha)

You get the idea. My point is that there is no indication of them being all equipped with superior computers.
I don't think a Norway has better computers than an Intrepid for example.

posted on February 18th, 2012, 11:22 pm

ah ok, they all have better system value though, indicating better systems on the inside, things that aren't guns and shields. like all of them should have good computers/sensors compared to combat ships.

obviously the remore is better at computers and the canav is better at sensors, but all supports should have better computers/sensors than combat ships.

posted on February 18th, 2012, 11:28 pm

obviously the remore is better at computers and the canav is better at sensors, but all supports should have better computers/sensors than combat ships.

A classic argument, but as mentioned in the newspost about scouting, the sensors of ships will show a big difference between even support-vessels lateron.

System Value also isn't necessarily represented by better computers. Following this logic further makes my brain go crazy about making theories about how the DS9-episode "for the uniform" would have gone with a Defiant at system value 0 then...

posted on February 18th, 2012, 11:35 pm

that takes it to the extremes, defiant has some systems, but it's highlight is combat, while support ships usually have effort put into their systems that aren't weapons/shields/engines. to me that indicates that they should be better at sensors/computers than combat ships.

how much is a valid question, it wouldn't be much, maybe they get their crew negative effects be 5% less severe. they already get strong systems and repair rate due to system value, so they can already survive better with lower crew.

posted on February 18th, 2012, 11:58 pm

they'll all have more advanced computers than standard ships is my point, so they'd be able to deal slightly better with having less crew.

the remore sounds like it would be even better than that, being designed with positronics in mind from the start.

Positronics.. i just know it'll have a holographic "spot" defense system. When boarded invaders don't stand a chance if they do not carry feline supplement .. (insert number)

posted on February 19th, 2012, 12:09 am

Positronics.. i just know it'll have a holographic "spot" defense system. When boarded invaders don't stand a chance if they do not carry feline supplement .. (insert number)

epic. although if we took fridge logic to the extreme, we could have holographic redshirts fucking up the boarding parties. would make boarding kinda pointless wouldn't it?

i guess can technobabble the other way by saying that in a war, boarders will be properly prepared and bring something that disperses holograms easily. tuvok once modified his phaser to knock the doctor out. that wouldnt be enough as they could just spam a dozen more holograms. maybe holoemitters for creating holograms are easily damaged by technobabble electro pulses or something, so that boarders could just knock out the emitters before getting near them.

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EDIT: holy spot it's like potters bar in here we mostly i derailed it so bad.

posted on February 19th, 2012, 12:30 am

So everyone pretty much agrees on the Remore?

posted on February 19th, 2012, 12:36 am

In one of the pictures the note says "Your vessels have engaged combat.  "

I think this should be or at least sounds better as "Your vessels have engaged in combat"

posted on February 19th, 2012, 12:38 am

So everyone pretty much agrees on the Remore?

i'm on board with it getting less problems with lower crew.

posted on February 19th, 2012, 12:47 am

Good grief guys, you want dev screenies but the unfinished tooltips and typos are too much?