A2 Files poll
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posted on December 9th, 2010, 4:08 am
Last edited by Atlantisbase on December 9th, 2010, 4:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
Yeah, there are plenty of good mods out there but 70-80% of them are just ship addins which are really just for personal fun. Maps are probably another 5-10% of mods out there. Single Player mods can't be compared to FO (yet ), although that's where most changes in game play will be seen. FO can really only be compared to other stand alone, full conversion, multiplayer mods of which there are only a handful. And among those, there are only 3-4 really good, well developed ones, including FO.
But whatever, we're winning in the polls by at least 10 votes.
But whatever, we're winning in the polls by at least 10 votes.
posted on December 10th, 2010, 6:01 am
*SHOCK*I AM A FANBOY!!*SHOCK*
posted on December 10th, 2010, 6:39 am
Just to feed the trolls at that site some more. The FO community is basically taking over A2 file's role, so I can completely understand why they would have to come up with a biased poll to generate some ill will toward Fleet Ops. Obviously this does not reflect on all A2 files members, but the vocal minority that just wants to stir up drama.
But back to my first idea. Megadroid's MMM works for both A2 and FO, and now allows modders to create single player levels, something that has never been possible until now. No one on the A2 site even knew what MMM was, even though it's the single greatest achievement for Armada since the patch project. But everyone here knows what MMM is, because this is where Mega actually gets support. He certainly doesn't get it over there. Some folks need to get their head out of their [censored] before FO completely takes over. :kid:
Oh, and I love how our only choice ended up being "FO is the ONLY mod worthy of our attention", even though there are some incredible up and coming mods based off of FO, like TUN's sigma which is coming along nicely, and Z's BSG mod. But it's better to make us out to be bandits and fanboys, am I right?
Someone previously stated that A2 files has some eye candy, but little playability in their mods. I would say this is accurate. Some great artistry, but if the favored race of the modder always wins, then what's the point of playing? FO has pretty graphics as well.
And now it's come to the stage of the game where we have veteran A2 modders like Majestic making the change to FO, because they see all the advantages that FO offers. They've mastered A2 modding, and really want to try their hand at something that has a greater pay off. It won't take long for some of these people to make the change and learn everything. Then we'll start seeing an even greater explosion of FO modding than we do now!
I'm personally banking on the bitterness of those few over at A2 files who just want to bicker and complain to end up disgusting and enticing even more modders to start working with FO. So keep it up, bitter A2 file guys! And thanks for your indirect support!
But back to my first idea. Megadroid's MMM works for both A2 and FO, and now allows modders to create single player levels, something that has never been possible until now. No one on the A2 site even knew what MMM was, even though it's the single greatest achievement for Armada since the patch project. But everyone here knows what MMM is, because this is where Mega actually gets support. He certainly doesn't get it over there. Some folks need to get their head out of their [censored] before FO completely takes over. :kid:
Oh, and I love how our only choice ended up being "FO is the ONLY mod worthy of our attention", even though there are some incredible up and coming mods based off of FO, like TUN's sigma which is coming along nicely, and Z's BSG mod. But it's better to make us out to be bandits and fanboys, am I right?
Someone previously stated that A2 files has some eye candy, but little playability in their mods. I would say this is accurate. Some great artistry, but if the favored race of the modder always wins, then what's the point of playing? FO has pretty graphics as well.
And now it's come to the stage of the game where we have veteran A2 modders like Majestic making the change to FO, because they see all the advantages that FO offers. They've mastered A2 modding, and really want to try their hand at something that has a greater pay off. It won't take long for some of these people to make the change and learn everything. Then we'll start seeing an even greater explosion of FO modding than we do now!
I'm personally banking on the bitterness of those few over at A2 files who just want to bicker and complain to end up disgusting and enticing even more modders to start working with FO. So keep it up, bitter A2 file guys! And thanks for your indirect support!
posted on December 10th, 2010, 7:27 am
Jesus Mal ... if you like FO so much ... Why don't MARRY it ....
Fanboy ...
Fanboy ...
posted on December 10th, 2010, 7:33 am
Maybe I will! >:(
FLEET OPERATIONS
I've been called elitist before, just because I can string words into pretty sentences. I might as well be called a fanboy. :kid:
FLEET OPERATIONS
I've been called elitist before, just because I can string words into pretty sentences. I might as well be called a fanboy. :kid:
posted on December 10th, 2010, 9:06 am
shut up mal, u elitist scum, ur long words and multiple clause sentences are confuse me.
U cant marry the game, maybe u can marry optec :p
Your avatars already look similar.
U cant marry the game, maybe u can marry optec :p
Your avatars already look similar.
posted on December 10th, 2010, 9:22 am
I once suggested that we all have our own personal clones of Optec. I'm still down with that.
posted on December 10th, 2010, 12:35 pm
pssst. don't let #1 know that!
posted on December 10th, 2010, 12:53 pm
Last edited by Terra_Inc on December 10th, 2010, 2:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Hello, people. Thought I might as well answer this here.
I will agree that the poll you are complaining about is biased. Clearly this was a fault of the staff member who posted the poll. I don't want to claim that it was purely unintentional, but I won't deny the possibility, either. Let's just say it was an unlucky choice of options.
A2Files has always been and will always be a pure modder site, hosting mostly stuff from modders for modders. I haven't seen any non-modder there since I joined, and most modders give a s*** about balance and playability. You'll have to look at some of the better TC to find that, and there aren't many of those.
There are some people over at A2Files who don't necessarily like FO, and they are annoyed because of the behavior of a few crazed FO fanboys who won't look at anything else but for some reason take the time to troll A2Files. They may be a few, but they have shaped the perception of many people over there. Perhaps this has to do with most FO people not visiting the site, so the only FO gamers we see are of the aforementioned kind.
Personally, I will not accept people hating against FO over at A2Files and will take extreme measures in the case that someone does. I have seen enough trolling and flaming in the A2 community, and we can't afford to start a fanboy war right now.
Vice versa, I would respectfully request that you do the same regarding A2Files. Fair and constructive criticism is one thing, and it isn't something we wouldn't accept, but I have seen more hating against A2Files than against FO in this year. And that especially includes this site. We all have better things to do than hating each other.
This is my opinion as member of the A2 community and as A2Files Staff member. You are welcome to discuss the matter with me or anyone from the A2Files Staff. Please be reminded that trolling, regardless of reason, is a bannable offence. Thank you for your attention.
Terra_Inc, signing out.
I will agree that the poll you are complaining about is biased. Clearly this was a fault of the staff member who posted the poll. I don't want to claim that it was purely unintentional, but I won't deny the possibility, either. Let's just say it was an unlucky choice of options.
A2Files has always been and will always be a pure modder site, hosting mostly stuff from modders for modders. I haven't seen any non-modder there since I joined, and most modders give a s*** about balance and playability. You'll have to look at some of the better TC to find that, and there aren't many of those.
There are some people over at A2Files who don't necessarily like FO, and they are annoyed because of the behavior of a few crazed FO fanboys who won't look at anything else but for some reason take the time to troll A2Files. They may be a few, but they have shaped the perception of many people over there. Perhaps this has to do with most FO people not visiting the site, so the only FO gamers we see are of the aforementioned kind.
Personally, I will not accept people hating against FO over at A2Files and will take extreme measures in the case that someone does. I have seen enough trolling and flaming in the A2 community, and we can't afford to start a fanboy war right now.
Vice versa, I would respectfully request that you do the same regarding A2Files. Fair and constructive criticism is one thing, and it isn't something we wouldn't accept, but I have seen more hating against A2Files than against FO in this year. And that especially includes this site. We all have better things to do than hating each other.
This is my opinion as member of the A2 community and as A2Files Staff member. You are welcome to discuss the matter with me or anyone from the A2Files Staff. Please be reminded that trolling, regardless of reason, is a bannable offence. Thank you for your attention.
Terra_Inc, signing out.
posted on December 10th, 2010, 5:06 pm
Frankly I'm a bit surprised that you'd say that there is such widely anti-A2Files sentiment at FO.net. Being quite active (and I'm sure others can corroborate), I have seen no recent (past 2 years) evidence of such (feel free to point me to examples though) - there have been concerns about the state of A2Files since the move, but none of it was hate. Unfortunately I'd dare say that there is rarely any talk whatsoever about A2Files - this was the first topic opened about the site since the move in fact, and previous to that, it's just very uncommon. I think we all value A2Files contribution to the community - just look at where many of the model conversions from A2 come from after all .
That being said, it's a little tough to go over to A2Files and see that in pictures of the day, or the forums, or even polls that there's rather slanderous talk about FO or its players by rather "esteemed" members of the community. Here there may be no banning for such commentary, but there certainly is an absence of it.
There will never be a "fanboy war" I think, it will just mean that ties will get weaker and weaker, as is happening even now . Afterall there hasn't been news posted on A2Files in 6 months for Fleet Ops, and the last two patches aren't being hosted.
That being said, it's a little tough to go over to A2Files and see that in pictures of the day, or the forums, or even polls that there's rather slanderous talk about FO or its players by rather "esteemed" members of the community. Here there may be no banning for such commentary, but there certainly is an absence of it.
There will never be a "fanboy war" I think, it will just mean that ties will get weaker and weaker, as is happening even now . Afterall there hasn't been news posted on A2Files in 6 months for Fleet Ops, and the last two patches aren't being hosted.
posted on December 10th, 2010, 5:11 pm
Terra_Inc wrote:I will agree that the poll you are complaining about is biased. Clearly this was a fault of the staff member who posted the poll. I don't want to claim that it was purely unintentional, but I won't deny the possibility, either. Let's just say it was an unlucky choice of options.
You posted that poll why dont you take responsibly for it. That poll had nothing to do with FO at all it was just because you were getting irritated at some people. I dont like being label a fanboy because of my affiliation with FO.
posted on December 10th, 2010, 5:19 pm
Last edited by Atlantisbase on December 10th, 2010, 5:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen anything truly negative against A2 Files here. In fact I think I've only ever seen 2 topics regarding A2, though I can't speak to it's discussion in the many derailed topics we have here. Even this thread was meant as more of a "Haha, look at this they're trying to make FO look bad, let's go prove them wrong." Nothing serious.
This is probably due to both a certain dislike of FO among the A2 community, and since FO has its own site, there's little need to go to A2. On top of that with each patch, FO gets farther and farther from Armada 2, and closer and closer to being worthy of being called Armada 3. As a result people here kind of forget about A2 and we've grown apart.
Dominus_Noctis wrote:There will never be a "fanboy war" I think, it will just mean that ties will get weaker and weaker, as is happening even now . Afterall there hasn't been news posted on A2Files in 6 months for Fleet Ops, and the last two patches aren't being hosted.
This is probably due to both a certain dislike of FO among the A2 community, and since FO has its own site, there's little need to go to A2. On top of that with each patch, FO gets farther and farther from Armada 2, and closer and closer to being worthy of being called Armada 3. As a result people here kind of forget about A2 and we've grown apart.
posted on December 10th, 2010, 5:21 pm
The thing is, judging by how many people download FO per day (within the first 24 hours, over 900 downloads were gathered, and within a week, over 2000), A2Files is losing a rather large potential readership... kind of sad to me
posted on December 10th, 2010, 5:34 pm
Atlantisbase wrote:Even this thread was meant as more of a "Haha, look at this they're trying to make FO look bad, let's go prove them wrong." Nothing serious.
my reason for starting this thread was because i happened to be taking a stroll around the interwebs one day, and stumbled accross a fleetops poll and decided to make a post about it.
i wasnt aware of any animosity between a2files and fleetops, since i dont actually have an a2files account nor visit a2files often.
isnt one of a2files staff a poster here (tparis)? ive never got any negative feelings from him.
posted on December 10th, 2010, 6:24 pm
What have I done?
Apologies, Terra. I have this nasty habit forcing confrontation with the hope of fostering some real discussion. Looks like it worked Apologies for writing what ended up being a forum post in that comments section on your site. If you want me to apologize within that comments section, I will. Just send me a PM.
Since a lot has been said already, let me just mention that balance and playability have got to a priority for modders.
The problem with modders having this line of thinking is that the end-user of any mod is the player. If no one plays your mod, then what was the point? It's true that you can make a mod just for you or you do it because you love the process of modding. But you're not going to affect other people if you don't make some of that content for them. Then you feel like your hard work is wasted, and no one wants to feel that way.
There are sooo many other things we could discuss, and I hope that this line of discussion and dialogue can continue. I don't want my rule breaking to go to waste!
-Myles. Tparis definitely loves flops. Not all A2 staffers feel negatively about FO. He's like the A2 ambassador to Fleet Ops. Think of it, our own ambassador!
Anyway, I said a lot in that comments section that I still feel would work well over at A2 files. Having a Fraps replay to promote and review A2 mods on your site by way of an embedded youtube player would work wonders. A2 files is a content generating site, and you should consider other avenues by which to create content. Again, FO "fanboys" have broken a lot of ground in this area. Feel free to use some of those ideas to help your own site. Tunngle is huge and is THE way to do multiplayer for A2 based games.
I had some other ideas, you'll have to go look at that comment. But you can compare FO and A2 files and see that one is correctly applying economic and marketing principles, and that the other really needs to. I would certainly love to see A2 files thrive, as the modding is easier to learn, from what I understand. Although Hitchhiker's is quickly getting a lot of reference material to make it easier to learn FO modding.
Anyway, I hope there is more discussion on this, chiefly on how we can make A2 files better.
Apologies, Terra. I have this nasty habit forcing confrontation with the hope of fostering some real discussion. Looks like it worked Apologies for writing what ended up being a forum post in that comments section on your site. If you want me to apologize within that comments section, I will. Just send me a PM.
Since a lot has been said already, let me just mention that balance and playability have got to a priority for modders.
I haven't seen any non-modder there since I joined, and most modders give a s*** about balance and playability. You'll have to look at some of the better TC to find that, and there aren't many of those.
The problem with modders having this line of thinking is that the end-user of any mod is the player. If no one plays your mod, then what was the point? It's true that you can make a mod just for you or you do it because you love the process of modding. But you're not going to affect other people if you don't make some of that content for them. Then you feel like your hard work is wasted, and no one wants to feel that way.
There are sooo many other things we could discuss, and I hope that this line of discussion and dialogue can continue. I don't want my rule breaking to go to waste!
-Myles. Tparis definitely loves flops. Not all A2 staffers feel negatively about FO. He's like the A2 ambassador to Fleet Ops. Think of it, our own ambassador!
Anyway, I said a lot in that comments section that I still feel would work well over at A2 files. Having a Fraps replay to promote and review A2 mods on your site by way of an embedded youtube player would work wonders. A2 files is a content generating site, and you should consider other avenues by which to create content. Again, FO "fanboys" have broken a lot of ground in this area. Feel free to use some of those ideas to help your own site. Tunngle is huge and is THE way to do multiplayer for A2 based games.
I had some other ideas, you'll have to go look at that comment. But you can compare FO and A2 files and see that one is correctly applying economic and marketing principles, and that the other really needs to. I would certainly love to see A2 files thrive, as the modding is easier to learn, from what I understand. Although Hitchhiker's is quickly getting a lot of reference material to make it easier to learn FO modding.
Anyway, I hope there is more discussion on this, chiefly on how we can make A2 files better.
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