Breen Prototypes

posted on July 8th, 2009, 4:41 pm

Why do the Breen use prototypes? That is a Dominion feature and the Breen are not Dominion, just allies.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 5:25 pm

I've thought the exact same thing. For this reason the Son'a in my 3rd avatar mod don't have prototypes despite being Dominion allies, maybe I'll change it so the Breen don't as well.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 7:41 pm

Hmmph... Yeah, I agree. The Breen don't need any protos. Maybe the Dom require one because they are not that well experienced with Breen tech? Besides, why should they cost so many supplies if the ship is more likely to be more than half Breen for its crew. The Breen don't need Ketracel White!

posted on July 8th, 2009, 7:55 pm

Supplies aren't just Ketracel White: they could be crucial components from the Breen's home system... which might be too far away etc. I believe supplies for the Dominion are meant to represent that they are a loooooong way off from home (cut off from their quadrant afterall).

posted on July 8th, 2009, 8:07 pm

I don't think the breen are a gamma quadrent race.  they were mentioned in a TNG episode(Suddenly Human) but I don't know what they said in DS9.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 8:10 pm

The Breen hold their space somewhere between Romulan and Cardassian space... or somewhere in the Alpha Quadrant. But it still doesn't explain why such high resource costs. Is all that supply anti-freeze for their AC suits? 

posted on July 8th, 2009, 8:19 pm

Indeed I know, I guess I was being unclear and didn't specify that the Breen are seperate from the Dominion  . However, we do know that the Breen are sufficiently far away (and exotic in tech requirements) to perhaps need special things for their ships (or perhaps, since the Dominion is building them, THEY need special equipment to construct Breen vessels).

posted on July 8th, 2009, 8:38 pm

I thought the rumor for the Breen was that there homeworld was colder than Andor...Also I thought the breen were on the edge of beta quandrant..and that they were kinda regarded by the other races in the same way as the Metrons were...Either way the breen make a very cool adversery....Also I agree with others post..since the dominion are gamma quandrant based and the breen were kinda far from their teritory it makes sense to have suply needs more focused for the dominion...

posted on July 8th, 2009, 9:28 pm

The Breen are an Alpha Quadrant race, their territory is just above Cardassian, Tzenketh, and Ferengi space: http://www.sttff.net/images/AST_MAP0012.jpg

My guess for the high supply cost is the refrigerator suits. 

posted on July 8th, 2009, 9:33 pm

Those Empires seem pretty disproportionate in size... hmmm 

[SaoMagnifico]

posted on July 8th, 2009, 9:51 pm

Last edited by SaoMagnifico on July 8th, 2009, 9:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I actually just drew up maps of the Alpha/Beta Quadrant powers relative to one another today, since none of them are canon or definitive anyway. I've taken several stabs at it now and I think it's about as plausible and accurate as it's going to get. It incorporates not just canon but also the Star Fleet Universe (Starfleet Command, Klingon Academy, and the Star Fleet Battles board games) to the best of my abilities, taking a couple creative licenses. I've not incorporated the Ciadan or the Noxter as of yet. Anyway, one map is circa 2282 and the other is circa 2389. One between the General War and the Dominion War might be a good idea, but I figure there were probably a lot of interbellum territory changes between the Klingons and enemies (Mirak, Cardassians, Hydrans, etc.) and Romulans and enemies (Breen, Gorn, Sha'Kurians, etc.), as well as expansion on the part of the Federation.

Where I've placed the Breen Confederacy circa 2389 is sandwiched between the Gorn to Galactic East, Mirak to Galactic Northeast, Cardassians to Galactic Northwest, Ferengi and Tzenkethi to Galactic West, and Federation to Galactic South. Breen space is also in close proximity to Romulan and Klingon territory. I figure they were forced to cede a good chunk of territory to the Federation and Gorn by the Treaty of Bajor, and that both the Breen and the Gorn formerly bordered the Romulan Star Empire (territory now held by the Romulans and the Federation, chalked up to conquest in the former instance and diplomatic annexation of secessionist states in the latter instance - providing a casus belli for the Breen to hold a grudge against the Federation and the Romulans).

posted on July 8th, 2009, 10:36 pm

SaoMagnifico you should post these maps! I for one would be very interested in comparing yours and mine (i too incorporated the SFU races)And yea TUN who ever made that map was a warcraft player, they named Breen worlds after warcraft things: Nathrazim etc. I wouldnt rely on that map very much, though i do like that they included the garridians.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 10:57 pm

I suppose that map does seem a bit off, virtually every map ive found is set up in a similar fashion. This map looks more official: http://www.dormilones.net/wp-content/up ... k_map2.jpg

The Breen homeworld is not displayed on that particular map, though in the TNG episode Hero Warship the Breen were mentioned as having territory and a series of outposts next to the Black Cluster which is the top left of that map (Here's the memory alpha link to back up my claim Breen - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki ). That would land Breen territory in the exact same spot as the other map, and every other map I've seen of the ST universe. I'm pretty confident the Breen are directly north of Cardassian territory.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 11:59 pm

TUN the problem with all of these maps is the 2d nature which is very false. Also, that last particular map you linked forgets that the Romulans entering the war actually opened a 2nd front on the cardassian space. So yea, they should have a border. Remember the mention of Dominion ships using the neutral zone as a safe haven to snipe at UFP ships and bases way behind the front lines? How else would they get into the Neutral zone if the cardies and roms didnt have some border.

posted on July 9th, 2009, 12:19 am

TUN the problem with all of these maps is the 2d nature which is very false. Also, that last particular map you linked forgets that the Romulans entering the war actually opened a 2nd front on the cardassian space. So yea, they should have a border. Remember the mention of Dominion ships using the neutral zone as a safe haven to snipe at UFP ships and bases way behind the front lines? How else would they get into the Neutral zone if the cardies and roms didnt have some border.

The Dominion and Cardassians probably took enough of Federation space in outlying sectors that they could have controlled the Fed side of a stretch of the Neutral Zone.