Cardassians - again I know but...

posted on June 10th, 2009, 5:55 pm

IMO, there shouldn't be any cardies in the game., Or at least only a dominion avatar.  As far as I can remember if it was not for the Dominion, the Cardies would have been wiped out by the combined forces of the federation, and klindons, and maybe even the romulans.  They seem much too smart to ally with a losing faction.

Oh, and I thought the admins said they will only be in the game as non playable races?

Of course I type too slowly.

[Dominus_Noctis]

posted on June 10th, 2009, 5:59 pm

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The Devs said that when NPC's begin being introduced, Cardies will be NPC to start... however Optec stated since they "underestimated the popularity of the Cardassians" they will be brought in far in the future in some shape or form. 

posted on June 10th, 2009, 6:00 pm

Well, maybe the Devs will design the Cardies ships. But the Avatars I think are logical because Garrak helped free his people of the Dominion so obviously he'd br re-accepted and promoted. Parn... well, I've always thought of him as a confident Commander. I think I pretty much nailed the Avatars though.

posted on June 10th, 2009, 6:34 pm

Remember also that the Carsassians rebelled against the Dominion towards the end and they definately became less and less relevant and powerful as the War progressed. The Founders always pick the stronger races like Jem'Hadar and Breen so it makes sense to have avatars for them not necessarily the Cardassians. Especially since this takes place after most of the major engagements of the war when they Cardassians no longer played a major role.

posted on June 10th, 2009, 6:39 pm

that is why I think they should have just a few ships in an avatar, like the breen. 

posted on June 10th, 2009, 6:43 pm

that is why I think they should have just a few ships in an avatar, like the breen. 

Agreed, then they can stick to canon ships like the Galor and no new designs really need to be invented.

posted on June 10th, 2009, 9:03 pm

There are only a 2 ways Id like to see the cardassians implemented into FO and neither of them invole them having their own seperate race.

1st method: NPC only.
2nd method: Avatar/sub race.

Even in cannon trek the cardies were only a minor race that got featured more than other minor races. If it wasent for ds9 nobody would remember the cardies. well maybe a few would but. The only reason the dominion accepted the cardies into the dominion was cause that more efficent. If anything besides being genecticly engineered to be loyal they were efficent. This threads bout the cardies lol not dominion so I will get back to topic now....anyways the cardies did not have the strength alone to sustain a war thats why they had skirmishes with the klingons and federation even though the fed/cardie war is often refered to. The cardies were like the biggest baddest bully in their lil corner of the galaxy and thats why they seemed so "major"...when the major powers are far away then a small gang seems much bigger than when u have the police right next door to you....anyways....I know the devs will include the cardies..I belive there are plans to eventually have them involved with the cicaidens right?....but for right now the cardassian Id like to see as NPC only....

The units Id like to see though are.
Galor
Keldon
Freighter
C.O.W.P
Nor type station

Thats just my 2 cents...

posted on June 10th, 2009, 9:05 pm

What about the Hideki? The tiny Defiant-wannabe isn't too bad as a scout.

posted on June 10th, 2009, 9:24 pm

i would like to see the Monac type shipyards and station... they would be more canon, the norin (the one in the blueprints that float around the internet) would be a nice cruiser too.

[Anonymous]

posted on June 10th, 2009, 9:34 pm

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Actually, Ryder, I had mentioned that it would be nice to see the Cardies as associates with the Ciadan, as I incorrectly assumed the Ciadan to be a brutish race. my fault :D
Optec corrected me . The Ciadan are to be more innocent than malevolent. So he ruled out the Cardies for them.

He then added, that they are to be more relevant to introducing the Noxter, but since the noxter are more insect and not interested in standard communication with other races they will not be with the noxter either.

So let's wait and watch . I do, however, enjoy speculating and discussing how it could turn out so....

Personally, I agree with Rhaz. I would not want to see them as a standalone race, as there are not enough canon ships for them.

One alternative would be to introduce a Sona-Cardassian-Tholian-Gorn Quadfecta.
This would allow us to see all these races in their specific ships.
Tholian cruisers with webs, gorn cruisers, cardie galors, keldons and hidekis, and sona battleships with subspace weaponry, hutets, and the horseshoe crab looking Ruafo's command ship with particular research for banned weapons.
We would have enough for a canon tech tree throughout.

posted on June 10th, 2009, 10:27 pm

The only thing i have to say about that is: having a lot of non-canon ships for the cardies wouldn´t be so bad, cause there are whole species/factions planned that are not canon. 

posted on June 10th, 2009, 10:54 pm

You couldn't impliment the Cardassians as a full race. Period.

Three main problems, already outlined in various places, summerised here:

-Too few cannon ships for a normal techtree

-Cardassians don't fit in with the FO storyline

-The FO developers have other priorities (improving other races gameplay, fixing bugs, working out new features, balancing, etc for a new race) and have said they will not bring in the Cardies.
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There's a couple of other, minor issues to consider as well:

-A new race will have it's own group of obessives who constantly pander their race is weak and needs improving. Giving people another reason to whinge just might tip the devs over the edge

-Without new feature work, the cardies would be boring to play. At the moment, ever race has a unique "style" (Feds' = Warp in, Klingon = Three Shipyardyness, Rommies =Refits, Borg.... Borg.) and without making a bastard mongrel there's not really any room for the Cardies.

posted on June 10th, 2009, 10:57 pm

Honestly, I'd much prefer to see the Noxter and eventually the Ciadan and Iconians in before the Cardassians who don't fit in Optec's storyline as Google_Bot pointed out.

posted on June 10th, 2009, 11:29 pm

I kinda like the idea of a mutiracial "league"....but if we do that then I want to see the kazon included as well...but I agree there are more pressing prioritys before introducing cardies back In....perhaps for my own mod I work on this "league" race....Im just not quite sure how to work out a standard techtree lol....oh and cant forget the maquis!! and lets see...ah hell lets include the xindi in this league as well....this league could be called the ANTI federation,romulan,klingon,dominion,borg league lol!! or....the league of non-alingned-FO races!!!

posted on June 10th, 2009, 11:30 pm

You couldn't impliment the Cardassians as a full race. Period.

Three main problems, already outlined in various places, summerised here:

-Too few cannon ships for a normal techtree

-Cardassians don't fit in with the FO storyline

-The FO developers have other priorities (improving other races gameplay, fixing bugs, working out new features, balancing, etc for a new race) and have said they will not bring in the Cardies.
====

There's a couple of other, minor issues to consider as well:

-A new race will have it's own group of obessives who constantly pander their race is weak and needs improving. Giving people another reason to whinge just might tip the devs over the edge

-Without new feature work, the cardies would be boring to play. At the moment, ever race has a unique "style" (Feds' = Warp in, Klingon = Three Shipyardyness, Rommies =Refits, Borg.... Borg.) and without making a bastard mongrel there's not really any room for the Cardies.

First of all, there are already a lot of non-canon ships flying around in FO, so whats your point. And second, what would you say the Iconians, Ciadan and Noxter are ? They are new races to whine about ( ) are more or less completely non-canon and need their unique style too. I can´t say much about the Fo storyline statement or the fact that the Team don´t want cardies as a playable faction, but i guess that´s what these threads are for, to inspire and maybe wearing the Team down in a respectful and positive way ( )