Excelsior I

posted on September 12th, 2010, 7:16 pm

But the Ent-B was a brand new ship, why would it be a refit?

posted on September 12th, 2010, 7:38 pm

It wouldnt be a Refit per-see It would have been built from scratch to conform to the re-fit style. 
My take on it is

Normal Excels  = Block 1  thousands built  a few were re-fit to Block II standard re-fit was considered to costly. The other Excel Block 1's were interior and weapons re-fit only.

E-B  = Block II only a few built due to the construction being to expensive to undertake 

My reasoning is the E-B was the first ship to be of the "re-fit" style  the Ambassador class was already in design and development stages When the E-B was built. The Admiralty was all exited about the Ambys and wanted them. They were not into the Excels anymore so they didnt want to spend anymore resources on the Old pew pew they wanted shiny new Pew Pew

posted on September 12th, 2010, 7:41 pm

My reasoning is the E-B was the first ship to be of the "re-fit" style  the Ambassador class was already in design and development stages When the E-B was built. The Admiralty was all exited about the Ambys and wanted them. They were not into the Excels anymore so they didnt want to spend anymore resources on the Old pew pew they wanted shiny new Pew Pew

That part I'm not so sure about; Admirals favor Excelsiors over the Galaxy and Nebula Class when they were new, Ambassador isn't likely to have stood out any more than they did when new.

posted on September 12th, 2010, 7:45 pm

i should have specified which branch of the admiralty  you have your Command Admirality your Fighting admiralty (that actually like to go out into battles) and your research and development Admiralty  that oversee procurement of Pew Pew  the R&D Admiralty wanted the Ambys

posted on September 12th, 2010, 7:49 pm

But the Ent-B was a brand new ship, why would it be a refit?

ships can be built to refit standards. like rhienns and generix, u dont have to build stock then refit (assuming the cost issue gets fixed)

posted on September 25th, 2010, 8:56 am

Constellation is probably there in the secret 72 they don't tell us about; if the weird looking Cheyenne, Aegian and Incursion are on the list, I doubt the Constellation will be left out. Especially considering it was in before.

I thought the constellation wasn't that old, newer than the excelsior?
Then again the ambassador is also outdated...

I don't know I like the ships aviable to be honest. Like the new excelsior II's tho I dont think they are in starfleets arsenal, but then again....choices need to be made

posted on September 25th, 2010, 9:52 am

I thought the constellation wasn't that old, newer than the excelsior?
Then again the ambassador is also outdated...

  I believe the canon reason "lore reason" that the excel I endured so long is because it was so all-around useful and easy to construct.

  I assumed that the Ambassador and the Constellation were newer ventures into more complicated and powerful designs, but not ones that were readily available / producible in the manner that the Excel I was .

  For real life comparison I refer to the Soviet T-34 during WW2.  It was cheap, sturdy, powerful, capable, and produced continuously right up until the end of the war even when more "powerful" and complicated design were available and being built.

posted on September 25th, 2010, 10:34 am

According to Memory Alpha:-
Constellation Class: Late 23rd to Mid 24th
Excelsior Class: Late 23rd to Late 24th
Ambassador: Mid 24th to Late 24th (at least)

I believe the canon reason "lore reason" that the excel I endured so long is because it was so all-around useful and easy to construct.

Well, as long as they don't try and put in a transwarp drive. 

posted on September 25th, 2010, 10:41 am

If the Constellation was newer, that wouldn't explain why it has the same component design as the Constitution and Miranda Classes. It looks like it comes from their era.

posted on September 25th, 2010, 1:44 pm

The constellation looks like the engineers had a bunch of extra saucer and nacelles so they quickly came up with a ship that used all the parts in addition to a few advanced features such as weapons.  The Excel was a ground-up future-proof design.

It's like comparing a budget pc with a full-on gaming pc.  The budget pc may use newer, less powerful parts but it still may not last as long as a gaming pc built with last year's top-of-the-line components.

posted on September 25th, 2010, 8:38 pm

Why does everyone forget the USS Repulse?  Time and again she was on the front lines of the Dominion Wars.  Time and again, she survived the battle.  She's outright one of the oldest ships in Starfleet (her registry number puts her in the early Excel production run) and apparantly one of the hardest to kill.

Whatever Starfleet and her crew have done to her, I want it done to all my warpin Excelsior.  Screw Lakota-refit, I want Repulse!

posted on September 26th, 2010, 5:24 am

There is such a thing as luck and skill.

posted on September 26th, 2010, 5:40 am

When luck and skill continue though multiple crews and for that long, it becomes more of a legacy.  Of course, I think the Repulse is a veteran or even veteran+ ship.  Very, very, very special anymore.  Crewed by survivors, modified to survive, built to last!

Doesn't make me want it less.  Makes me want it MORE.