The downside of fleetops, and the destruction of ideas.

posted on May 9th, 2010, 10:21 pm

and here can be the downside of fleet ops:

"Sir sensors are picking up somthing!"
"what is it ensign?",
"oh no sir!!! its a new idea!!!"
"what!!! a new idea, but that wasnt supposed to happen, why wasnt it destroyed before!!!?"
"I dont know sir, it seems like it just warped in here, originating in the Imagination galaxy.... originality sector, planet New idea"
"oh no, this is bad son, only we can present new ideas, a new idea from that sector presents somthing horrible, oh no son, that idea, it could make a difference, it could bring somthing fun and new!!! this is worse then i thought"
"what do we do sir?"
"open a channel to the high command"
"channel open sir"
" This is commander kill to high command, we have detected an idea comming in, it is original and creative, it seems like somone put some thought into it"
"kill it, immediatly"
"ensign target all weapons on that idea"
"aye aye sire"
(phasers and torpedos fire as they try to kill the idea,)
"its working sir, the idea is slowing down, but we will need to shoot it more if we want ti to go away"
"fire at will"

this seems to happen to to many ideas, it gets a little annoying when you got a bunch of debbie downers.....

posted on May 9th, 2010, 10:24 pm

Of course, most of these "new ideas" are just the same ideas that have been presented several times previously  . Not a bad thing, just means that most people have already formulated an opinion. Like 18 Saucer Seperation threads

posted on May 9th, 2010, 10:29 pm

I belive there has only been one maybe two at tops, all im saying is i dislike the way that new members or old members come into fleet ops, to present new ideas that they find exciting and or cool, only to have them dismissed and or tossed aside, who cares if it was mentioned 4 months ago, maybe through in suggestions, too often i find it just goes, thats stupid, itd never work.....

posted on May 9th, 2010, 10:32 pm

Why not just go through the old feature requests and re-post them then

An opinion of "thats stupid, tid never work" is an equally valid opinion to a request. If you don't want the opinions to be discussed, just say that in the post

posted on May 9th, 2010, 10:35 pm

how about if you dont want to discuss the opinions, then dont say anything at all, instead of trying to put down somone and their idea

posted on May 9th, 2010, 10:37 pm

But they DO want to discuss the opinions - this is Fleet Ops, people feel strongly about how they want the mod to turn out, and not everybody wants everybody else's ideas included. That's still discussion. Would you like it if someone proposed removing the Federation or the Miranda II? You feel the necessity of posting about the Galaxy in almost every thread you've ever posted in, yet you feel it's ok to say "how about if you dont want to discuss the opinions, then dont say anything at all, instead of trying to put down somone and their idea"? Do you see the irony?

posted on May 9th, 2010, 10:44 pm

Hopefully you guys at this point realize, that im not actually serious about the galaxy, and everybody ignores it, however it is different when somone proposes to remove a ship, then each side stats there reason,

but when somone presents and idea like, oh idk, colonizing planets, or somthing like that, i just dont like the way that people who disagree, just go no, no, thats stupid,

my point was if you disagree, then you dont need to just say its stupid, just let the idea flow, and see if people like it, if the devs like it thell do it, if they dont then they wont, but why shoot it down before it can evolve into somthing that could be cool

posted on May 9th, 2010, 10:49 pm

If you aren't serious, why do you make a point of it to bring it up in games, and on nearly every thread you post in on this forum?

We had people propose to remove ships in the past - how is that different from any other idea? There isn't some hierarchy of what makes some ideas worthy of being let be, and others which should be shot down  . People state their opinions on what idea they don't want because that is what they don't want... it's as simple as that. You keep on bringing up saucer separation because you want it. Other people bring it up because they don't want it. Are you in the wrong for disagreeing with other people?

posted on May 9th, 2010, 10:52 pm

I think its wrong to just shoot down ideas, and call them stupid and the people who make them stupid

posted on May 9th, 2010, 10:55 pm

Ray, as far as I know, you are the only person to call both people and their ideas stupid  . Just look at your old posts in the Federation Underpowered threads.

posted on May 9th, 2010, 10:58 pm

what makes you think we do destroy ideas? Most of the features in the last patches are based on community input. we consider all ideas  posted on the forums, discuss them with the team and the community and implement them as possible.
I don't see your point, sorry

posted on May 9th, 2010, 10:59 pm

Dominus that was a different time, and i was a different person then, im older now, and i dont do that anymore, there are other people who have called ideas and people stupid, back then part of it, is i was new to fleetops and didnt know how to play,

also you mentioned the galaxy, and how i was the only person who wanted seperation, thats not true, as you can see in that poll i took, 40 people wanted seperation in some form compared to 35 who didnt

posted on May 9th, 2010, 11:01 pm

sometimes, i just feel, like ideas are shot down, ideas that i agree with and dont agree with, before they have even developed, i guess i feel that this place can be a little harsh somtimes, idk maybe im making this into more then it is, but thats the way it seems somtimes, i just like all ideas to be considered, maybe a good idea for the devs would be to just have a page, of ideas being considered, or previously mentioned, so that ideas are not posted again, maybe even on the page of the list of ideas links to threads could be made to help eliminate double posting so everyone feels there voice is heard

posted on May 9th, 2010, 11:05 pm

Then look at your quote on your signature! Remember what that came out of? You were telling Boggz he was wrong, right?  :lol:

The forum population is 3000, I hardly think 75 accurately displays any sort of the trend. Plus, we don't know what plans are for the Galaxy in the future.

In the future there will be a page on the guide with summaries of all the feature requests. For now you can just scroll down the Feature Request subforum of course.

posted on May 9th, 2010, 11:06 pm

I think it's important to voice all opinions, including negative ones. For example, if I proposed that the Borg have all their ship construction times cut in half with boosts to species adaptation which increase exponentially as the game progresses and freighters that move and collect twice as fast as they do now, then obviously I'd be mad because the that would ruin the Borg and make them utterly invincible (probably).

However, if one person says they like it and no one else mentions it because they don't like the idea, then technically 100% that voiced an opinion, obviously like the idea, indicating that the FO team should add it in.

That would be pretty crap. Good critique is vital for good progression and tbh, apart from the odd person getting tired about recurring topics, I think most of the people here seem to voice themselves alright.

I think maybe part of the issue may be that many of the players who post here often are currently active and well experienced players. With experience, it becomes easier to work out whether some ideas will work or not, which may be how some ideas appear to be shot down out of hand so quickly. Fact is, some ideas will work well, most would take a lot of work to implement and a good proportion a flat out impossible with the way A2 is.