Vote for the winners of the competition!

posted on April 26th, 2009, 11:25 pm

So these are the contestors for the game against the developers. You can only choose 1 and the ones who finish first 2 will be in the game. The third one will be allowed to observe the game, but not play.
This is what they submitted:

-Zebh: //www.fleetops.net/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,3/topic,4975.0/

-Dominus_Noctis: //www.fleetops.net/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,3/topic,4976.msg82857/topicseen,1/#new

-Mal: //www.fleetops.net/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,3/topic,4977.msg82861/topicseen,1/#new


Now vote people and may the best man win! 

posted on April 28th, 2009, 4:32 am

Come on, vote people. These people really tried their hardest for FO, the least you could do is vote.

posted on April 28th, 2009, 4:44 am

i still dont like this, alot of people dont have that much, time and to write a guide for the whole of fleet ops, jeez,

especially when you have finals

posted on April 28th, 2009, 12:58 pm

you have finals,

wait you have an education Ray?

Damn it, now i have to go back to hating you again because i thought you was some uneducated hillbilly...

and for your information, Dominus is studying a degree, and constantly has to do lab test reports and prelims, and he still managed to fit it in

Plus you couldnt write a guide because you don't really know what your doing, it'd give bad advice and probably know one would want to read it

posted on April 28th, 2009, 1:05 pm

thought u was some uneducated hillbilly.......

rather condescending isnt it... 

posted on April 28th, 2009, 1:17 pm

Actually I think the whole post was condescending.

posted on April 28th, 2009, 1:33 pm

i still dont like this, alot of people dont have that much, time and to write a guide for the whole of fleet ops, jeez,

especially when you have finals

I have finals as well and I wrote a 12 page guide on the Klingons, so dont give me that excuse. You had the whole week including the weekend to wirte a few pages and you didnt have time? Give me a break 

Those 3 busted their arses to write that, so please just vote for your favorite, without the stupid remarks.

posted on April 28th, 2009, 2:52 pm

Now let's see those scores... we'll know if those theorems were lost in a vat of Gagh

[Anonymous]

posted on April 28th, 2009, 3:06 pm

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I have finals as well and I wrote a 12 page guide on the Klingons, so dont give me that excuse. You had the whole week including the weekend to wirte a few pages and you didnt have time? Give me a break 

Those 3 busted their arses to write that, so please just vote for your favorite, without the stupid remarks.

Actually, while I initially agreed with you, it now appears that Dom and Zebh both were preparing the guide before the competition was even declared. This gives them an edge and now elucidates that they had a headstart.

Your citation of them is therefore irrelevant. they were already on it before the prelims and labs ure citing.. so in effect Ray's argument is most valid. It is not fair to the competitors that the contestants are given an unrealistic time-span to come up with something, while those who ultimately did are only those who had a headstart even before the competition is held.

IMO this is not fair to people like Ray and the others who have silently observed.

Even if he were to prepare gibberish, the point is he and others like him did not have sufficient time to even try - especially since you are all college students, you would most certainly be aware of time constraints and exams.

I say Ray's argument is valid here - even if it is pure serendipity that it ever is - and we need to extend the deadline so as to allow all who are desirous to also submit their models and be judged by only the MODS of this website.

posted on April 28th, 2009, 5:29 pm

Actually, while I initially agreed with you, it now appears that Dom and Zebh both were preparing the guide before the competition was even declared. This gives them an edge and now elucidates that they had a headstart.

Your citation of them is therefore irrelevant. they were already on it before the prelims and labs ure citing.. so in effect Ray's argument is most valid. It is not fair to the competitors that the contestants are given an unrealistic time-span to come up with something, while those who ultimately did are only those who had a headstart even before the competition is held.

IMO this is not fair to people like Ray and the others who have silently observed.

Even if he were to prepare gibberish, the point is he and others like him did not have sufficient time to even try - especially since you are all college students, you would most certainly be aware of time constraints and exams.

I say Ray's argument is valid here - even if it is pure serendipity that it ever is - and we need to extend the deadline so as to allow all who are desirous to also submit their models and be judged by only the MODS of this website.

What a load of rubbish,

Baron gave a week to write the simplest and smallest thing, if Ray320 was going to write a fed guy and all he would really be writing is what me and Dominus taught him which his been using ever since then that would take no more than a couple of hours max...

In that time his posted on ehre numerous times, been online playing games and i'd bet hsi done plenty of other things in that time as well, so your arguement is flawed... As for Dominus writng prehand, he hadn't wrote barely a thing, not even a page, he didnt start writing till i nudged him about my idea for the Hitchiker book...

And as for Baron he started writing his only a few days ago after i bugged him for content for it too and he came up with a 21 page guide, with pictures and i know he had to test each unit as well...

posted on April 28th, 2009, 5:33 pm

Ok serpicius, lets take Dom and Zebh out of the equation. That leaves me, a college student, who started writing a guide 2 days after the competition had started and Mal (I dont know how much he prepared in advance and what he does in his real life, so I'll leave him out of this). I finished my guide before the deadline on sunday night GMT, and I wrote freaking 12 pages of it. But ok, lets say Im an anomaly in this world, so I dont count as well. So one might think that rays argument is valid, heres the deal though.

In the thread that described this competition I said that you can write any damn thing you like about FleetOps. You can make maps (which take like 15min to make), you can write good ideas, balancing changes, tutorials, anything that is connected to FO in some way. So u2 are really going to post shit about irrational deadlines? Really?
Ok another point, during the time this competition lasted ray posted a huge post on how he won some game versus dom. That post was easily long enough to enter into this competition, if it was about another thing. So what, he does have time to post these posts here, but he doesnt have time to post some ideas of his own? His own strategy maybe? Does that take a lot of thinking? No one is going to tell me that they dont have around 30min free time in the entire week, have you all gone insane.

And about the mods increasing the deadline, I have set up this particular game with them (anyone can try to set up their very own) and I didnt have any playing partners so in my freaking good will I said to myself: "Khmmm, Ill give the community a chance to prove themselves, Im sure we'll get some great threads out of this!" Indeed we did get some great posts, well 3 to be exact, but what did I get with this? A lot of whining from some particular members because they are lazy and they didnt open a good damn thread about their own idea. But not to dwell away from my point, basically I set up the game and their team is set, mine is not so Im searching for playing partners (which I had already posted in the initial thread, if you'd bother to read it carefully). And, well my point it, this is mine competition and not theirs, so only I can extend the deadline

a PS to all the whiners: thanks for partially ruining this for me
a PS to all the supporters and competitors: thanks for proving my point that this will be good for the community

Oh and just BTW: This post I and you, serpicius, just made is long enough for the competition, so some people really didnt have time huh ?

[Anonymous]

posted on April 28th, 2009, 5:50 pm

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so are we to judge everyone by the centralized "You"?

Come now.

The point that is being made - and the fact that you are not answering it directly but resorting to terms like "shit" etc demonstrates that you do get the point but are now being defensive - is that you set an arbitrary deadline which no one who was competing was actually able to meet.

As you took Dom, Mal and zebh out of the equation, you now have no one other than yourself. The fact that all those who were nominated, actually could not meet the deadline without preplanning demonstrates that the deadline was not properly set.

I am not contesting the contest. The winner is the winner, and after having seen the contributions I am quite sure that all the members of the community will agree with the choices here. 

However, I am contesting the high-handed manner in which the contest has been conducted.
there was no organization nor any realistic deadline.
It was just an arbitrary post with an arbitrary deadline, with an absolutist approach of attacking and insulting those who asked for an extension or a bit more time to contribute.
That in of itself is a dissuading factor for other members who are reading to even try to contribute.

Don't get me wrong, writing specs and betraying tactics is not something I am interested in. But there are those members who would be.

As you said, ray may contribute absolute garbage... but the point is he did not get the chance

You seem to be viewing this thread as a testament to your own self, with your "ruining this for me" remarks as a rather crude demonstration thereof.
It may however shock you to realize that the other members of the community felt this to be more geared towards a genuine attempt at encouraging ingenuity and contributions from all those members here, and not just those who seem to fit YOUR solipsitic view of deadlines and realizable goals.

It is this tone that I find counterproductive to the spirit of the competition - as it was initially laid out.


fyi - as far as the deadline - reality check - last time I checked you were still college kids and maybe a couple of just out of school techies trying to get a head start on things... so spare me your self-elevating "take an appointment with my Secretary for a game" lol tone.

posted on April 28th, 2009, 6:02 pm

I am searching for playing partners.
I decided that the community can choose my playing partners. (which I mistakenly thought was a good idea)
Thats the way it is, deal with it. If you do not understand this, then I feel sorry for you. All the whining in the world wont change that.


Oh about not giving the heads-up before the competition: The very hour I set up a game, I posted it on the forums.

Oh and what point am I not anwsering, I thought I cleared all the points in the different paragraphs. But please do tell, directly (in 1 sentance) what you want to know and Ill gladly anwser it.

[Anonymous]

posted on April 28th, 2009, 6:04 pm

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that's exactly my point.

But you were seeking partners to play with the mods....and that was the attraction. not u,but the mods.

I can see where we seem to be speaking at cross purposes.

You feel this was about you. I and many others felt this was about the competition and improving FO.



fyi - we aren't whining...in fact we have succeeded in demonstrating the true nature of the poster and the competition itself to the entire community (mods included)...nothing to "deal" with m8...we arent as puerile in egocentricity

[Anonymous]

posted on April 28th, 2009, 6:13 pm

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I actually agree with serpicus.

The only people that submitted anything already plans to do so.  These plans didn't have anything to do with the competition, just to help out those in the community.  Even mal had told me he was already planning to do a guide.   The Deadline was so short in fact that he didn't even have time to finish it.  So he put out what he had. 

I personally don't have a problem with the competition it self, only like serp said the arbitrarily made rulz. 
I hope you don't take all this personally, it is just the once in a lifetime opportunity if you have time to write thing really messed the game up. 

Look guys, Im not going to repeat myself. Serpicius and ray can read my reply in the winner poll thread.

Because of Doms and Zebhs post Im going to say this: The competition did what my intention was, provide a sufficient "want" factor that made them finish their work. Its unlucky that more people didnt join, but it is what it is and we got 3 great posts because of it

*snip

Oh and btw it is not a competition if you are just lucky to have already had a guide in the works.