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posted on August 16th, 2011, 4:18 pm

Tok`ra wrote:^ Yeah considering that REAL torpedo cruisers like the Akira get a single low powered torpedo (Oh cant forget the magical exploding pixie dust special :p) I REALLLLLLY doubt we are going to see that in here.

edit: fixed typo

akshully the status of the akira as a torp spammer isnt canon. that was merely what the creator said outside of canon. from what we saw in canon of the akira it was a rather standard cruiser. its torp pod appears similar in proportion to the miranda's, and the miranda wasnt a torp spammer either.

even if it was canon, the feds have enough bloody torps already. seriously 40% miss rate doesnt matter when you stand in front of that incoming hailstorm of death.

Andre27

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posted on August 16th, 2011, 4:49 pm

It's because of the absurdity of the warship voyager that i'd like to see it added as map or mixed tech.
The weapons posted are irrelevant or else the galaxy should have X number of Phasers as well.

Tok`ra

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posted on August 16th, 2011, 5:57 pm

Last edited by Tok`ra on August 16th, 2011, 6:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Myles wrote:akshully the status of the akira as a torp spammer isnt canon. that was merely what the creator said outside of canon. from what we saw in canon of the akira it was a rather standard cruiser. its torp pod appears similar in proportion to the miranda's, and the miranda wasnt a torp spammer either.

even if it was canon, the feds have enough bloody torps already. seriously 40% miss rate doesnt matter when you stand in front of that incoming hailstorm of death.

Go to 1:50

You see the Akira....... spamming torpedos, with at least three from the pod (which visualy appears to have more tubes)
but four from the ventral surface of the saucer section.

It fires torpedos much more heavily than any other non-hero ships seen in a show or movie.

As for 'enough torpedos' thats where balance comes into play, you give the ships the weapons they actually should have... then balance around that. Hell it'd be doable by just replacing the magic pixie dust of shield bypassing special with a torpedo barrage that does about the same thing.

Myles

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posted on August 16th, 2011, 6:50 pm

Tok`ra wrote:Go to 1:50

You see the Akira....... spamming torpedos, with at least three from the pod (which visualy appears to have more tubes)
but four from the ventral surface of the saucer section.

It fires torpedos much more heavily than any other non-hero ships seen in a show or movie.

you mean it fires 7 torps? the sovvie fires 4 quantums from its saucer launcher and 3 photons from its engineering launcher in nemesis. the valiant fires 6 quantums from its front launchers in ds9. 7 is not a lot of torps. and the "visually more" torp launchers isnt relevant either, as we have seen torps come from all sorts of places on fed ships, not just torp launchers. other than the tmp ships, its a pain to count the launchers a ship has. the galaxy has 1 hole, but fires loads of torps. voyager has 2 front torp holes yet fires 6 easily. just like the defiant class. the akira may have launchers designed completely differently. u cant just count the holes and come up with any sensible answer to how many torps will come flying out of a ship in star trek.

and the distinction between hero ship and not is pointless. especially since the ships we see mostly are hero ships, background ships dont get seen much because there is no money for them to get vfx.

the valiant isnt even a hero ship, but it can fire 6 torps.

face it, there is no canon evidence that the akira is a dedicated torp spammer. unless you consider the ent e the same (which is crazy). the akira to me (and based on canon observations) is a cruiser which fits well as a replacement to the e1, a general purpose ship.

Tok`ra

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posted on August 16th, 2011, 7:01 pm

The Valiant is the same class as a hero ship, thus making it's torp use consistent.

Also with the continual three shot bursts from a tube in that era, it's almost as if it were a standardized design in that era....

Myles

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posted on August 16th, 2011, 7:30 pm

Tok`ra wrote:The Valiant is the same class as a hero ship, thus making it's torp use consistent

anything in the same class as a hero ship isnt allowed. thats most of the ships that get screen time in trek. enterprises exlcude connie, excelsior, ambassador, galaxy and sovvie. defiant and intrepid class are out. the reliant appeared in st2 as a bad guy's ship so the miranda class is out. what do you leave allowed? not bloody much. the valiant wasnt a hero ship. and even if it was it wouldnt matter. non hero ships dont tend to get a lot of screen time.

Tok`ra wrote:Also with the continual three shot bursts from a tube in that era, it's almost as if it were a standardized design in that era....

exactly, multi shot bursts is pretty standard. the akira firing 7 torps doesnt make it special as a torp spammer.

now we talk about in game. the intrepid should fire 6 photons in a row every time. do you really wanna play borg against a fed that has intreps that fire more torps than e2s? of course not. the intrep doesnt fire its 6 shot volleys just like the akira doesnt fire its multi shot volleys. and there's reasons why. 1 it makes balancing work easier. 2 i dont want my screen clustered up with a million bloody torps. it would look stupid if your 8 intreps fired off 48 torps every few seconds. like having loads of teutos.

the akira is an awesome ship in fleetops. and its officer ability that you moan about being pixie dust, is one of the most powerful things in the game. area damage that passes through shields and does impressive hull damage. thats very very useful to have in any engagement. and the veteran akira ignores your shields, which makes it deadly.

Tyler

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posted on August 17th, 2011, 6:06 pm

I think the pod of the FC Akira fired from 3 seperate launchers. That's why people from MA suggested the pod launchers are the old single-shot tubes.

While the on-screen Akira had 15 launchers on the model, that number would mean it's likely dedicated to the role. FO already has that ship.

Side-note: Ever noticed the Akira from FO fires from above the deflector instead of the pod? Even though that launcher isn't marked on the hull.

Myles

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posted on August 17th, 2011, 6:35 pm

Tyler wrote:I think the pod of the FC Akira fired from 3 seperate launchers. That's why people from MA suggested the pod launchers are the old single-shot tubes.

those certainly do look like single shot tubes. maybe its cheaper to use single shot tubes, and they needed to make a lot of akiras to fill out the fleet and serve as workhorses, so they made the akira with simpler launchers. then just put more of them on to compensate.

Tyler wrote:While the on-screen Akira had 15 launchers on the model, that number would mean it's likely dedicated to the role. FO already has that ship.

well it had 15 holes, but we've seen numerous times in trek when torps have come from places with no holes, and no torps have come out of holes that are there. so its possible that not all 15 things that look like torp launchers are actually torp launchers. maybe some holes are dedicated probe launchers, or a new type of escape pod system. i think its best to go by how many torps we actually see the akira launch, which is 7 in about 10 seconds. similar to the sovvie/intrep/defiant class.

if we go by canon then the intrepid would have to launch 6 torps per volley, but that would get busy on screen fast. so both of them launch 1 torp. i wouldnt mind if the e2/sov quantums got increased in damage per torp, and reduced to 2 or 3 shots per volley. keeping exactly the same dps (assuming all hit) but being less cluttering.

Tyler wrote:Side-note: Ever noticed the Akira from FO fires from above the deflector instead of the pod? Even though that launcher isn't marked on the hull.

well thats where some torps come from in fc. if there are not holes on the fo model then maybe the fo model just needs some more detail to put holes there.

Tok`ra

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posted on August 17th, 2011, 10:17 pm

Last edited by Tok`ra on August 17th, 2011, 10:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Myles wrote:do you really wanna play borg against a fed that has intreps that fire more torps than e2s?

Thats where BALANCE comes in. You reduce the torpedo damage so an burst does the same damage as the single torpedo currently does, or in the Akiras case prehaps a tad more, then reduce the phasers damage.

As for the borg, once again BALANCE.

I'm talking visual look, you're talking current .odf stats (which tend to change patch to patch anyway)

Myles wrote:i wouldnt mind if the e2/sov quantums got increased in damage per torp, and reduced to 2 or 3 shots per volley. keeping exactly the same dps (assuming all hit) but being less cluttering.

Oh wait you DO know the differnce, you just like to bring up pointless things to argue.

As for all the holes in the Akira, the case is bolstered by the fact that the designer of the ship intended it to be a torpedo cruiser AND it's model has all of those holes.

Myles

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posted on August 17th, 2011, 10:53 pm

Tok`ra wrote:As for all the holes in the Akira, the case is bolstered by the fact that the designer of the ship intended it to be a torpedo cruiser AND it's model has all of those holes.

i'm sorry was i asleep when that designer appeared in canon and said this? i'll save you the time of answering: no i wasnt, it never happened. its non canon.

as i said the model has loads of holes, but holes =/= torp launchers as we have seen before.

i like the canon akira better than i like the designer's idea of the akira tbh. apparently plenty of people thought it had too many torp launchers.

Tok`ra wrote:I'm talking visual look, you're talking current .odf stats (which tend to change patch to patch anyway)

actually im talking about both, all intreps firing volleys of 6 torps at a time, regardless of whether the dps is unchanged, would look horrible visually.

JR_109