the corrected Galaxy Class and starship seperation

posted on January 3rd, 2009, 3:42 pm

Did you read any of the previous post about Galaxy class? It doesn't seem like you did.

[Anonymous]

posted on January 3rd, 2009, 4:25 pm

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And he even mentions the aft torpedo launcher so I don't think its meant to be unarmed.

Quite correct my keen friend. I worked an 8 hour day yesterday and dozed off writing that last one. I think I woke up and clicked the submit button.

Don't worry, I am not General Custer. I would not send 6,000 marines to their death. The saucer would have phasers and and aft torpedo tube hence I have made the necessary corrections to my last post.

The type 3 torpedoes can fire at up to 3 different targets and is already included in stock FO so it's not a new ability. However, it should be five targets because if you watch, "Yesterday's Enterprise" the Enterprise D fired a torpedo that split up into five smaller warheads doing moderate damage to a Klingon K'Vort Class Battlecrusier.

I feel the stats are good for the Galaxy as a whole as it now has +4 offensive value and +1 defensive value as opposed to the not so favorable stats of 40 offensive power and 45 defensive power. More on this later.

posted on January 3rd, 2009, 4:35 pm

^ Alternate timeline, anyone?

Really, all some people here do is pushing the Galaxy to become an übership that it is obviously not. Maybe you could tweak it a bit, sure. But all the special abilities that you want to include would simply make it a God ship that would seriously disrupt FleetOp's balance, especially if you could seperate it and suddenly make two ships with complete new abilities out of it.

Did any of you ever consider that the separated saucer section was meant to be an emergency lifeboat, first and foremost? As was seen and mentioned in the very first TNG episode, as well as Star Trek: Generations. Saucer separation doesn't turn a Galaxy into the ultimate fighting machine. Mostly, because the ship as a whole isn't either.

[ar12]

posted on January 3rd, 2009, 4:42 pm

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Since the Excelsior II has quantum torpedoes now as standard, why wouldn't the Galaxy class have them as well?  I mean a newer space frame and all that, surely they'd have been upgraded as well.
If the Galaxy is going to be a buildable ship, how about a quantum torpedo upgrade option?  It could be quite expensive, and even with the upgrade shouldn't be as powerful as the Sovereign.
Or maybe emphasize the size of the saucer section's phaser strip by having the ability to fire at multiple targets whilst the Excelsior II can't?

Just thinking out loud

posted on January 3rd, 2009, 5:29 pm

Really, all some people here do is pushing the Galaxy to become an übership that it is obviously not. Maybe you could tweak it a bit, sure. But all the special abilities that you want to include would simply make it a God ship that would seriously disrupt FleetOp's balance, especially if you could seperate it and suddenly make two ships with complete new abilities out of it.

Did any of you ever consider that the separated saucer section was meant to be an emergency lifeboat, first and foremost? As was seen and mentioned in the very first TNG episode, as well as Star Trek: Generations. Saucer separation doesn't turn a Galaxy into the ultimate fighting machine. Mostly, because the ship as a whole isn't either.

Ive need arguing this for a few pages on this thread Many people agree, the most active ones dont however so I stopped arguing.
I think it should be able to seperate but its combat capability should drop because of that, but thats just what I think 

posted on January 3rd, 2009, 5:42 pm

The saucer would become almost helpless, but how would the Stardrive get weaker?

posted on January 3rd, 2009, 6:16 pm

By loosing its Phaser banks and a photon torp tube located on the Saucer 
Add to that, the Saucer doesnt really have enough power for full combat capacity and you basically throw away some of your strongest weapons

posted on January 3rd, 2009, 6:26 pm

When the ship is combined the Stardrive has 2 Photon launchers, when the ship is seperated the Stardrive still has 2 Photon launchers. Was it ever stated that the saucer Phasers are stronger than the one one the Stardrive head section (which has the same arc as the dorsal Phaser on the saucer when combined with the 2 smaller ones behind it).

With the Warp Core only having to power about a third or half (Is the Stardive a third or half the saucer's size?), that half won't be getting weaker by seperating.

I wonder if the saucer would be good for kamikaze runs?

posted on January 3rd, 2009, 8:22 pm

stardrive is a perfect shap for ramming, and you guys are wrong when seperated another torpedo tube located on the stardrive section is uncovered so it does have one more torpedo tube and some phasers, i like the galaxy stats save for one thing, soverign should be increased as should the defiant attack values, because i think glaxy offensive should be at least 40, and there defensive should be higher then the defiant, but lower then the soverign so defensive like, 45 at least

posted on January 3rd, 2009, 8:23 pm

and i have a question, does anybody want to change there vote? cus i can run a new poll

posted on January 3rd, 2009, 10:40 pm

When the ship is combined the Stardrive has 2 Photon launchers, when the ship is seperated the Stardrive still has 2 Photon launchers. Was it ever stated that the saucer Phasers are stronger than the one one the Stardrive head section (which has the same arc as the dorsal Phaser on the saucer when combined with the 2 smaller ones behind it).

Well obviously the stardrive part doesnt loose any attack value, I ment the ship as a whole does when it seperates because of the unused phaser banks on the Saucer. So it wouldnt make sense that by splitting the galaxy you'd get 2 parts that combined have more attack value than a ship that is still together. Well thats just what I think anyway

posted on January 3rd, 2009, 10:45 pm

On a side note, I think the Akira should have an offensive value of 80 because it has 15 Torpedo tubes and they can all fire photons or quantums. The Federation should only build Akiras.

Of course I am just kidding.

Base Stats:

Akira:

22 Offensive
28 Defensive

If anything, this is the ship which is underpowered.

Galaxy:

30 Offensive
35 Defensive

Looks about right to me.

Sovereign:

36 Offensive
46 Defensive

Excelsior II:

29 Offensive
30 Defensive

Nebula Class

25 Offensive
29 Defensive

In my opinion the Galaxy class is perfect where it is. Now you will likely counter with the point that the Defiant class is 36 Offensive and 38 Defensive.

I contend you with A how do you know this warp in Galaxy class is refit? B how can you effectively calculate the strength of the refit galaxy considering on screen many ships have 'one hit' ships far more powerful than themselves. And C why would the federation bother to refit all galaxy class ships instead of building more efficient warships?

Something all Galaxy supporters ignore is combat maneuverability.

It is the least maneuverable ship of any of these. And the point of 'how is the Excelsior II...' it is NOT the Lakota refit. Not, not not. If it was I would agree with you. However, to me at least it appears to have new nacelles and a new saucer. It is essentially a new vessel and since it is non canon you cannot exactly determine it's strength from canon references.

posted on January 4th, 2009, 12:26 am

if you actually read mine i adjusted the soverign and other ships for the federation accordinly, but if you want me to do it on the scale now, then a34, and d at least 38-42 tho cus it has good sheild, and before if you had read it i had adjusted the other ships, i know, there is no way in hell that a galay could even dream of taking on a soverign, i actually moved the sov up alot in my earlier one, cus i think that its stats are way to low

posted on January 4th, 2009, 3:27 am

I think that the Galaxy should be buildable with stars and that it should be replaced in the warp in thing by a Promethus Class because those are in small numbers

Also i have problems with the warp i because i always get steamrunners

posted on January 4th, 2009, 4:20 am

to let everyone know, there are 25 people who want seperation, and 25 who do not,

and yes i agree i get steamrunners to, i wish they would put in the ambasador and constelation classes, i think ambasador would be a really good ship for fleet ops